UK Votes to Leave EU

[Pickman's model]

I'll take that as a yes.

Go away.

No, I just told you I did not vote for Farage.

But carry on as you will and see how far the 'bastards' motif carries you.

 

[Plumdaff]

Isn't there form with the EU for referendum shenanigans? Could we be in for threats, shock and awe then a 'breakthrough' in negotiations, with another vote on the table, in the hope we'll be cowed. Isn't that what all the EU haste is about?

I don't want the above, I think it would be disgraceful, it just strikes me as the type of cynical thing politicians might do. Or maybe I'm over thinking it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't there form with the EU for referendum shenanigans? Could we be in for threats, shock and awe then a 'breakthrough' in negotiations, with another vote on the table, in the hope we'll be cowed. Isn't that what all the EU haste is about?

I don't want the above, I think it would be disgraceful, it just strikes me as the type of cynical thing politicians might do. Or maybe I'm over thinking it.

Yes

 

[Dogsauce]

I suspect that for most working class people life will go on pretty much the way it did before.

Even those not born here who've come in to work from the continent? They seem to be excluded from a lot of the narrative here.

 

[Dogsauce]

He is shitting himself; I understand until at least Feb this year he was a known remainer

I reckon some old school chums that work in the City now might cross him off the Xmas card list. I bet a few have had words since the results.

 

[Pickman's model]

I reckon some old school chums that work in the City now might cross him off the Xmas card list. I bet a few have had words since the results.

I look forward to a mob of enraged remainers doing unto his house what the gordon rioters did to the lord chief justice's

 

[DotCommunist]

I look forward to a mob of enraged remainers doing unto his house what the gordon rioters did to the lord chief justice's

I always assumed they were gin riots till reading EP Thompson and discovering they were in fact sectarian riots. I liked it better when I imagined gin riots.

 

[brogdale]

I always assumed they were gin riots till reading EP Thompson and discovering they were in fact sectarian riots. I liked it better when I imagined gin riots.

Have to admit that I knew little of the Gordon riots till I read Barnaby Rudge.

 

[Poi E]

Isn't there form with the EU for referendum shenanigans? Could we be in for threats, shock and awe then a 'breakthrough' in negotiations, with another vote on the table, in the hope we'll be cowed. Isn't that what all the EU haste is about?

I don't want the above, I think it would be disgraceful, it just strikes me as the type of cynical thing politicians might do. Or maybe I'm over thinking it.

Doubt it. Would encourage every member state to hold referenda in the hopes of negotiating concessions.

 

[brogdale]

He is shitting himself; I understand until at least Feb this year he was a known remainer

Maybe, but Hinsliff's thesis sounds very weak...

“He thought what all those reluctant Brexiters thought: it would be a vote for remain, he would be seen as having stood up for a principle.” After which leave’s newest martyr could simply have bided his time for a year or so before being triumphantly installed in Downing Street.

Had the vote had gone the other way, the victorious Cameroonian faction would have cast him as a dangerous, traitorous turn-coat; he'd have been finished and cast off to 'journalism'.

 

[Plumdaff]

Doubt it. Would encourage every member state to hold referenda in the hopes of negotiating concessions.

That's why the shock and awe has to genuinely hurt. We must be made an example of, even though that will hurt the EU. It has to be tail between our legs with the EU being magnanimous. I'm not saying I think it's a great tactic. I think it's one our and EU politicians might go for.

 

[Poi E]

The U.K. looks pretty fucking toxic right now as it starts to fragment regionally. Not sure the EU has much appetite for holding together the patchwork of a union.

 

[agricola]

That's why the shock and awe has to genuinely hurt. We must be made an example of, even though that will hurt the EU. It has to be tail between our legs with the EU being magnanimous. I'm not saying I think it's a great tactic. I think it's one our and EU politicians might go for.

This is what the defeated are going around saying, but I am not sure how true it is. We are the second biggest economy in Europe, getting into a trade row with us would hurt them - especially the southern EU nations and the French - and further boost euroscepticism there, which was already running (in Greece and France anyway) higher than it was here.

I am also not sure how the federalists could ever see us leaving as a bad thing, as it removes the biggest block to ever closer union from their path.

 

[Poi E]

Discriminating against British goods and services would also give member states new markets.

 

[emanymton]

Even those not born here who've come in to work from the continent? They seem to be excluded from a lot of the narrative here.

A lot of people are worried about their future, which is very said. It is one reason why although I got the result I wanted I can't really feel happy about it. But they are worrying unnecessarily in my opinion. They are not going to suddenly start deporting people. It angers me that the rhetoric from both camps has put this idea in people's minds.

 

[agricola]

Discriminating against British goods and services would also give member states new markets.

That might be an option for the Germans, but it isn't likely to be an option for many of the others.

 

[Reiabuzz]

"That this could happen in the wake of the brutal murder of a promising young British politician by a right-wing maniac Brexit supporter is nauseating. That it came in the wake of massive warnings from markets and experts worldwide that the costs would be enormous is disappointing. That it came in a country full of people who were literate enough to read even a little bit about what it might cost the U.K. to leave the EU is deeply unsettling.”

Brinsanity

Well done guys

 

[YouSir]

Brinsanity

Well done guys

Thank you.

 

[Wilf]

Isn't there form with the EU for referendum shenanigans? Could we be in for threats, shock and awe then a 'breakthrough' in negotiations, with another vote on the table, in the hope we'll be cowed. Isn't that what all the EU haste is about?

I don't want the above, I think it would be disgraceful, it just strikes me as the type of cynical thing politicians might do. Or maybe I'm over thinking it.

Ireland rejected the Treaty of Lisbon - and so the voters were told to have another go. I was musing yesterday whether something similar might happen - not another referenda but something being put to the voters in a general election. I think pretty much all of British and European capital would like to find a way to Britain staying in but there's no clear route to how that could happen or who would lead the charge. That leaves EU leaders having to reluctantly say get the fuck out of here ASAP. Who knows, there just might be some kind of deal for associate status or to leave most of the trading arrangements in place for 5 years - but there's nobody driving at the moment. Capitalism abhors a vacuum or summat.

 

[seventh bullet]

Who were you the last time?

Reiabuzz

 

[YouSir]

Making a resolution to quit social media for a few weeks, can't hack the nonsense. Some people (remain voters) seem almost gleeful in prophesying the return of the death penalty, massive recession and rivers of blood so they can say 'told you so'. Makes it sound as if there's nothing between the UK in the EU and a fascist state. A surprise to most of the world I suspect.

 

[Wilf]

Would be interesting to hear the panicked conversations going on between London and Brussels at the moment, though even that isn't going well - Jonathan Hill has resigned as a Commissioner:

Britain's EU commissioner has quit following Brexit vote

 

[Yossarian]

This is what the defeated are going around saying, but I am not sure how true it is. We are the second biggest economy in Europe, getting into a trade row with us would hurt them - especially the southern EU nations and the French - and further boost euroscepticism there, which was already running (in Greece and France anyway) higher than it was here.

I am also not sure how the federalists could ever see us leaving as a bad thing, as it removes the biggest block to ever closer union from their path.

Could explain why the latest line from the EU to the UK appears to be GTFO.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Would be interesting to hear the panicked conversations going on between London and Brussels at the moment, though even that isn't going well - Jonathan Hill has resigned as a Commissioner:

Britain's EU commissioner has quit following Brexit vote

Had no choice really, so no great shock. He could hardly stroll in to the office on Monday morning like nothing's happened...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I am also not sure how the federalists could ever see us leaving as a bad thing, as it removes the biggest block to ever closer union from their path.

Junker certainly doesn't like us, and not just because of the disgraceful shit the Sun wrote about his father either. We were always going to be the big stumbling block to closer union.

 

[danny la rouge]

Could explain why the latest line from the EU to the UK appears to be GTFO.

Has article 50 been invoked?

 

[Pickman's model]

Has article 50 been invoked?

No

 

[Wilf]

Had no choice really, so no great shock. He could hardly stroll in to the office on Monday morning like nothing's happened...

"Right, I've got doughnuts for 27, oh, sorry Jonathan I didn't think you'd be in"

 

[danny la rouge]

No

Let's try a knock knock joke; you know how those work, do you?

 

[brogdale]

No

Cameron explicitly ruled himself out from delivering the instruction of the electorate. It is their intention that this will only be undertaken by a new vermin leader & PM. Obviously this is counter to the interests of the EU.

A negotiation with the European Union will need to begin under a new prime minister, and I think it is right that this new prime minister takes the decision about when to trigger Article 50 and start the formal and legal process of leaving the E.U.