UK Votes to Leave EU

[Combustible]

They are *already* planning NHS privatisation, assault on workers rights, abandonment of the Human Rights Charter, and of tax justice reforms, which EU membership prevented them from implementing.

How did EU membership prevent NHS privatisation or tax reform (well apart from preventing lowering of VAT)?

 

[butchersapron]

Border controls and their points system. How else?

Not what i asked. I asked how a democratic mandate to do a particular thing can be enforced against the local and international state should they choose to ignore it? In our wonderful democracies of course (oh yeah, i hate the british civil service as well grrr).

 

[weltweit]

Not what i asked. I asked how a democratic mandate to do a particular thing can be enforced against the local and international state should they choose to ignore it? In our wonderful democracies of course (oh yeah, i hate the british civil service as well grrr).

Erm, that isn't what you asked.

I said:

I don't see that the exit winners of the referendum on which massive numbers of people voted to stop inward EU immigration can accept the continued free flow of labour from the EU.

To which you responded:

How do you think they'll be able to exercise that choice?

 

[butchersapron]

That's exactly what i asked.

I didn't ask about what technical measures were required on the assumption that that democratic mandate would be followed through on. Which is how you replied.

 

[The39thStep]

Not only did they get shafted, but they know it.



And from the FT:

Appalling tosh. So voting to leave the EU is anti- intellectual?

 

[Reiabuzz]

Yes

 

[emanymton]

I don't see that the exit winners of the referendum on which massive numbers of people voted to stop inward EU immigration can accept the continued free flow of labour from the EU.

Leave campaign rows back on key immigration and NHS pledges

 

[no-no]

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Well done for drawing those cocks!

Yep, lets

Not only did they get shafted, but they know it.



And from the FT:

Not only did they get shafted, but they know it.



And from the FT:

No mentions of the anti democratic vote at all?

 

[weltweit]

Leave campaign rows back on key immigration and NHS pledges

I don't think that 1) "the leave campaign" is a cohesive centrally planned entity and 2) Daniel Hannan is a tosser I don't think he speaks for the will of the electorate!

 

[weltweit]

Bloody Hannan is on my radio right now, already had enough of him!

 

[seventh bullet]

What a disengeious pile of shit. Lost the right to live and work in 27 countries? Because no one from the UK lives and works in America or Australia, or other non-eu counties. And we have not swapped one distant elite for another, we have gone from 2 distant elites to just one. As for the working class suffering the most, well it's too early to know just how things will go, but I suspect that for most working class people life will go on pretty much the way it did before. So far the only people complaing about losing out is people worry about the value of their savings and stock portfolios.

You can't scare people about what they have already been experiencing for years. Unless you have little idea of how millions of people live today.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Bichrist it's like some people have just noticed we have a right wing government doing mean things. Almost as though until it had the potential to affect them, it neither mattered nor even existed.

 

[Sprocket.]

As Frankie Boyle wrote.
It is a rare politician who can see why you don't give a fuck about the Maastricht Treaty when your giro hasn't turned up!

 

[seventh bullet]

Bichrist it's like some people have just noticed we have a right wing government doing mean things. Almost as though until it had the potential to affect them, it neither mattered nor even existed.

And offended at the existence of others not like them. Not that they really matter anyway.

 

[elbows]

How did EU membership prevent NHS privatisation or tax reform (well apart from preventing lowering of VAT)?

Not much mention of TTIP on this front at the moment either.

 

[Reiabuzz]

 

[Reiabuzz]

Fucking idiots. You should hang your heads in shame.

 

[Pickman's model]

On at the screen on the green, Islington: independence day resurgence

 

[Flavour]

The future now depends on the whims of the EU leadership, who may decide two general courses of action:

1) Punish the UK, properly shaft it, and hope that the fallout somehow benefits the Eurozone (it won't though)
2) Try to exercise some damage limitation by allowing the UK to continue some kind of special relationship with the EU by remaining in the EEA and therefore an active participant in several core components in EU policy (seems less likely to me, but surely what the UK leadership want, not that they'll have any say)

Is Tusk an angry man?

 

[Flavour]

Fucking idiots. You should hang your heads in shame.

You're talking to the Tory party I assume. Yes. They should hang their heads in shame. Dreadful lot.

 

[Pickman's model]

Fucking idiots. You should hang your heads in shame.

Yeh Yeh change the record it's getting dull

 

[Reiabuzz]

I take you it voted for Farage?

 

[agricola]

The future now depends on the whims of the EU leadership, who may decide two general courses of action:

1) Punish the UK, properly shaft it, and hope that the fallout somehow benefits the Eurozone (it won't though)
2) Try to exercise some damage limitation by allowing the UK to continue some kind of special relationship with the EU by remaining in the EEA and therefore an active participant in several core components in EU policy (seems less likely to me, but surely what the UK leadership want, not that they'll have any say)

Is Tusk an angry man?

They are dumb enough to try option (1), but the sums on both sides that are at risk are so large that sanity would prevail sooner rather than later and fair negotiations will take place. Also I think there is a realization over there that this is something that had to happen if the EU project was ever to move significantly forward - we were never going to be part of further political integration (at least at a serious level), nor were we ever likely to be part of the Euro.

I would be amazed if option (2) comes about unless there is a complete collapse of government here, there would be absolutely no point in leaving the EU just to join the EEA. I think if we do leave we will end up with a non-EEA trade deal that largely matches what we have now, except for no free movement of people but with a liberal work visa regime that is as close to free movement as our government can get away with.

 

[Wilf]

A piece here on how Johnson never imagined it would go leave, may not have actually wanted it and is now shitting himself:

A pyrrhic victory? Boris Johnson wakes up to the costs of Brexit

 

[Pickman's model]

I take you it voted for Farage?

Nothing to do with it how I voted (no option for nf on my ballot paper btw). You're just being rather dull and in no way making a progressive contribution to the discussion.

 

[Pickman's model]

A piece here on how Johnson never imagined it would go leave, may not have actually wanted it and is now shitting himself:

A pyrrhic victory? Boris Johnson wakes up to the costs of Brexit

He is shitting himself; I understand until at least Feb this year he was a known remainer

 

[Reiabuzz]

Nothing to do with it how I voted (no option for nf on my ballot paper btw). You're just being rather dull and in no way making a progressive contribution to the discussion.

I'll take that as a yes.

Go away.

 

[inva]

I'll take that as a yes.

Go away.

keep plugging away

 

[Wilf]

The future now depends on the whims of the EU leadership, who may decide two general courses of action:

1) Punish the UK, properly shaft it, and hope that the fallout somehow benefits the Eurozone (it won't though)
2) Try to exercise some damage limitation by allowing the UK to continue some kind of special relationship with the EU by remaining in the EEA and therefore an active participant in several core components in EU policy (seems less likely to me, but surely what the UK leadership want, not that they'll have any say)

Is Tusk an angry man?

Neither British nor European elites want this to happen. There are undoubtedly (theoretical) mechanisms to stop it - exit negotiations that go wrong, new offers, something being put to a general election etc. However the situational logic on either side means this almost certainly won't happen. Euro bods want it to happen fast to restore some kind of stability and can't hang around. Cameron's pissed off and won't do anything - and an incoming PM Johnson can hardly open the whole thing up again. Politicians are unprincipled enough to overturn the result, but in practice won't be able to. Given that the whole thing is likely, though not certain, to see Scotland leaving, calling the ref was an astonishing miscalculation by Cameron. It's not just his absolute disconnection from working class voters (and voters in general) its the lack of political touch. If Blair had been running an equally euro-divided tory party, he'd never have gone anywhere near offering a referendum. Along with Johnson's involvement in the process being nothing other than a piece of extended opportunism, the whole episode is about the stupidity of our leaders.

 

[Orang Utan]

I take you it voted for Farage?

He wasn't running for election you fool