UK man sentenced for having manga images of children

[Dr_Herbz]

Manga images.

We're talking about two stories at the same time. the original article refers to manga images, those are the ones that im saying are an unrealistic depiction, and I'm unsure as to the further reaching consequences of something we all know very well isn't real.

Child porn... disguised as manga images.

 

[8115]

The cgi images could depict actual rape scenes. No different than taking a photo of it.

I'd prefer someone to do a drawing of me being knifed to death than make a video of it.

 

[butchersapron]

Can you please explain.

I have. I really have. Maybe it's another post that you missed? Either way - here is the explanation again. I'll even re-paste it:

I'm suggesting that this must be your position to remain consistent.

 

[Citizen66]

I'd prefer someone to do a drawing of me being knifed to death than make a video of it.

Even if both involved you being knifed to death?

 

[NoXion]

Here's what I don't get regarding the "normalisation" argument:

Considering the scandalous stories widely published across the world concerning child sex in the media, in organised religion, in school sports, and in other areas, that are met with such widespread disapprobation and disgust, how can anyone except those so stupid as to be considered legally incompetent to operate anything more sophisticated than a doorknob, ever think that such activities are "normal"?

I mean, someone who acts like child sexual abuse is normal is bound to come a cropper eventually (more like pretty damn soon I reckon). Yet most paedophiles, I assume, attempt to hide their activities. Which implicitly says that they don't view their activities as normal, even if they refuse to admit the same to themselves.

 

[8115]

Even if both involved you being knifed to death?

A drawing using only their imagination.

 

[sim667]

I have. I really have. Maybe it's another post that you missed? Either way - here is the explanation again. I'll even re-paste it:

Whats me being inconsistent?

You thing manga guy should have the book thrown at him, but aussie guy should be let off.... pretty much the polar opposite to me as I think aussie guy should have the book thrown at him, where as manga needs to see a fucking psychologist, not locked up with probably more hardened pedophiles who will probably teach him how to not get caught.

Have I missed something here?

 

[sim667]

Child porn... disguised as manga images.

If you think a cartoon can actually be pornographic, then I guess it is.

My understanding of something being pornographic is a recording of something happening

 

[Dr_Herbz]

Have I missed something here?

YES!!!!
In order for YOU to remain consistent, you'd have to also hold the view that the Aussie guy should be let go, because it was only a CGI image.

 

[Citizen66]

A drawing using only their imagination.

But nobody has answered that question. I asked whether he downloaded any of these images or produced them himself. Either way we can't be sure they don't depict actual abuse but certainly not if downloaded.

 

[killer b]

Have I missed something here?

yes.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

If you think a cartoon can actually be pornographic, then I guess it is.

My understanding of something being pornographic is a recording of something happening

The jury agreed with me... thank fuck.

 

[Citizen66]

YES!!!!
In order for YOU to remain consistent, you'd have to also hold the view that the Aussie guy should be let go, because it was only a CGI image.

Don't do it. You'll end up extracting your own teeth with rusty pliers.

 

[Belushi]

It's been a bit weird round here recently.

 

[8115]

But nobody has answered that question. I asked whether he downloaded any of these images or produced them himself. Either way we can't be sure they don't depict actual abuse but certainly not if downloaded.

So your argument is that theoretically someone could have been drawing from life? Theoretically. Manga is almost never drawn from life though.

 

[andysays]

Whats me being inconsistent?

You thing manga guy should have the book thrown at him, but aussie guy should be let off.... pretty much the polar opposite to me as I think aussie guy should have the book thrown at him, where as manga needs to see a fucking psychologist, not locked up with probably more hardened pedophiles who will probably teach him how to not get caught.

Have I missed something here?

If the more hardened paedophiles are also locked up, they're not going to have anything much to teach him about not getting caught.

Seriously, you're not doing yourself any favours here. Maybe it's time to leave this discussion, or at least step away for a bit to get your head clear, because on the evidence of your posts you look like you're a bit confused by all of this.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

So your argument is that theoretically someone could have been drawing from life? Theoretically. Manga is almost never drawn from life though.

This has nothing to do with Manga and everything to do with child porn.

 

[Citizen66]

So your argument is that theoretically someone could have been drawing from life? Theoretically. Manga is almost never drawn from life though.

Can you give me a link proving that the images were manga please. That's our starting block.

 

[killer b]

It's been a bit weird round here recently.

liberals.

 

[Spymaster]

If you think a cartoon can actually be pornographic, then I guess it is.

My understanding of something being pornographic is a recording of something happening

And that's where you're going wrong.

Pornography (often abbreviated as "porn" or "porno" in informal usage) is the portrayal of sexual subject matter for the purpose of sexual arousal. Pornography may be presented in a variety of media, including books, magazines, postcards, photographs, sculpture, drawing, painting, animation, sound recording, film, video, and video games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography

You are defending violent child porn.

 

[8115]

Can you give me a link proving that the images were manga please. That's our starting block.

I just read the original link and it either stated or strongly implied they were manga.

 

[DotCommunist]

It's been a bit weird round here recently.

something in the water

 

[andysays]

something in the water

All that piss in the shower must have leaked into the water supply

 

[Blagsta]

Here's what I don't get regarding the "normalisation" argument:

Considering the scandalous stories widely published across the world concerning child sex in the media, in organised religion, in school sports, and in other areas, that are met with such widespread disapprobation and disgust, how can anyone except those so stupid as to be considered legally incompetent to operate anything more sophisticated than a doorknob, ever think that such activities are "normal"?

I mean, someone who acts like child sexual abuse is normal is bound to come a cropper eventually (more like pretty damn soon I reckon). Yet most paedophiles, I assume, attempt to hide their activities. Which implicitly says that they don't view their activities as normal, even if they refuse to admit the same to themselves.

If you do something frequently, and also surround yourself with people who also do that thing, it becomes normal for you. In the same way that someone who uses drugs and associates with other drug users comes to think of drug use as normal.

 

[sim667]

YES!!!!
In order for YOU to remain consistent, you'd have to also hold the view that the Aussie guy should be let go, because it was only a CGI image.

But I don't, I'm not going to, because he proactively tried to solicit sex with a child he thought was real, in the same way I had no compassion towards the blokes that were getting caught out on the pedphile hunter documentary.

They've proactively sought to have sex with a child....... Why should I changed my view just to fit in with what I've said about manga guy.

Manga guy is different, its clear that he's done what he though he could to try and avoid getting caught again, first time round he's obviously though "too realistic" and then moved on to manga. My point is how are they prosecuting him, the day after saying they won't prosecute some people who have intentionally looked for photographic images, and how can they justify prosecuting him when any of us, right now, can go to amazon and a film which depicts and implies a young boy getting raped (8 or 9), don't get me wrong here, this is a totally legit film, with BBFC clasification etc. It all seems very out of kilter, and I think manga man needs psychological help, not a prison sentence....

Whats so bad about all of that....? I got called a nonce for it so I'd like to know.

 

[Blagsta]

But I don't, I'm not going to, because he proactively tried to solicit sex with a child he thought was real, in the same way I had no compassion towards the blokes that were getting caught out on the pedphile hunter documentary.

They've proactively sought to have sex with a child....... Why should I changed my view just to fit in with what I've said about manga guy.

Manga guy is different, its clear that he's done what he though he could to try and avoid getting caught again, first time round he's obviously though "too realistic" and then moved on to manga. My point is how are they prosecuting him, the day after saying they won't prosecute some people who have intentionally looked for photographic images, and how can they justify prosecuting him when any of us, right now, can go to amazon and a film which depicts and implies a young boy getting raped (8 or 9), don't get me wrong here, this is a totally legit film, with BBFC clasification etc. It all seems very out of kilter, and I think manga man needs psychological help, not a prison sentence....

Whats so bad about all of that....? I got called a nonce for it so I'd like to know.

What was manga guy's intent?

 

[trashpony]

something in the water

Is that what it is? This week, it feels like a load of sexual deviant rape apologists are using the general liberal agenda on the boards as a carte blanche to justify their own shitty perspectives.

But I expect that's just me needing a good night's sleep.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

But I don't, I'm not going to, because he proactively tried to solicit sex with a child he thought was real, in the same way I had no compassion towards the blokes that were getting caught out on the pedphile hunter documentary.

They've proactively sought to have sex with a child....... Why should I changed my view just to fit in with what I've said about manga guy.

Manga guy is different, its clear that he's done what he though he could to try and avoid getting caught again, first time round he's obviously though "too realistic" and then moved on to manga. My point is how are they prosecuting him, the day after saying they won't prosecute some people who have intentionally looked for photographic images, and how can they justify prosecuting him when any of us, right now, can go to amazon and a film which depicts and implies a young boy getting raped (8 or 9), don't get me wrong here, this is a totally legit film, with BBFC clasification etc. It all seems very out of kilter, and I think manga man needs psychological help, not a prison sentence....

Whats so bad about all of that....? I got called a nonce for it so I'd like to know.

You've completely lost me.
Are you saying this guy shouldn't have been prosecuted until every other nonce on the planet has been dealt with?

 

[Citizen66]

I just read the original link and it either stated or strongly implied they were manga.

Sorry, I'm messing up this case with his first one which contained cgi. Yes they were manga in this case. Anyway, he wasn't imprisoned. Hopefully he'll be given some help.

 

[sim667]

What was manga guy's intent?

Wanking I guess