UK gov to ban porn sites that don't verify users' age
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A multi-billion pound industry has spent years trying to stop us from being able to illegally download films. And yet it still takes just a few clicks to download any DVD release in perfect quality from the last decade and more as well as any number of lower quality but serviceable versions of stuff currently in the cinema.
If the whole film industry can't manage to control basic illegal access to its films, how on earth does the government think it is going to control access to a small subset of films that can be distributed exactly the same way?
If the whole film industry can't manage to control basic illegal access to its films, how on earth does the government think it is going to control access to a small subset of films that can be distributed exactly the same way?
ahahahahahaaaaa someone actually said this
ever heard of identity theft? not sure why in yer head it's more secure than a credit card number lolololol plus you'd have to let the sites access passport info databases, like fuck thats gonna be targeted.i also dunno what all this shit is about 'unattended' kids, like the minute you go down the shops or to work you take the internet blocking force field with you??
jesus wept, teach yer kids some of this - they'll never access porn... or the jobsearch computers.
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souljacker
innit
Yeah, the passport thing is a bonkers suggestion. Let's give bigtitlovers.com access to our passport database. LOL.
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
Sure, take my credit card number. Just to make sure, like...
Lots of Govt Tech advisers outing themeselves on this thread
Lots of Govt Tech advisers outing themeselves on this thread
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Realistically, it's not currently possible to completely block access on the internet to anything there's a demand for (at least, without getting ridiculously draconian). What you can do is make it more difficult, either generally or for children. All kinds of things are successfully restricted online at the moment. Gambling, kiddie porn, firearms sales. It's just a question of whether there is the will to do it or not.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Sure, take my credit card number. Just to make sure, like...
Lots of Govt Tech advisers outing themeselves on this thread
I bet if this does get implemented, it'll be totally half-arsed. Entering random figures will grant one access, kind of thing.
Is bittorrent actually remotely difficult for children though? I bet they are more familiar with it than their parents are.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Torrents are for old people. Kids who grew up with high speed broadband connections are all about streaming. Not to say that couldn't change very quickly.
All it takes to change is a reason to change. Such as, just to pick a random example, if porn was readily available on torrent sites but not on streaming sites.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
If that happened, then of course, kids would turn to torrenting. But that does present a technical barrier, in that you need to find and install appropriate software, know how to use it and know where to find torrents. You will also need access to a device without parental controls. Already, that is going to be a total barrier for the youngest children. It's also not possible to use the main torrenting sites without having advertising pages try to take control of your browser and/or downloading viruses and malware. You'll need to be able to deal with that, or else your parents are going to find out what you've been doing. But the main thing it that you don't really browse torrents. You need to know precisely what you're looking for, which is probably going to mean research. After which you don't get the content instantly like you do with streaming. You have to wait an indeterminate amount of time for your files to download.
Of course, not of this is going to stop the most determined and savvy child, but it will stop a lot of them. And those it doesn't will be consuming a much lesser quantity of porn than they do now, because the whole thing will take more time and effort for them.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
And, the clever ones will make a mint from selling on their downloads. 
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Next step: one of the most determined and savvy kids torrents all manner of porn, and then does a roaring trade in the stuff behind the bike sheds.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Yes, so you might end up with a schoolyard porn ecology a bit like it used to be before the internet. Most kids won't be getting porn on tap anymore. Those that still have some access will be almost exclusively teenagers, the number for whom acquiring porn is a daily activity will drop dramatically, and they will be acquiring less of it.
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You already do if you want access to the VIP forum, tbf.
I think you are seriously overestimating the difficulty of torrenting. You can do it on your phone using a simple app. And porn is a big area of activity for torrenting sites -- the pirate bay has a whole category devoted to it, which it doesn't for any other sub-genre of video. All a kid has to do is open the pirate bay's website, click on the porn section and take their pick.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
No, I think you're misunderstanding how things currently are for kids. Streaming porn is accessed by very young kids, and some teenagers watch huge quantities of it because it is so easy for them to do. Torrenting would exclude most of the younger kids and reduce the consumption of the older kids, not because it represents an insurmountable barrier, but because it is comparatively less quick and easy.
you cant really stop kids doing anything they want to do, much like how you handle drugs - education is whats important but as soon as you say that you get a bunch of reactionary idiots immediately thinking their kids will be shown fetish porn in school as part of that education which is the same type of reaction as the thick twats who think drug education is all about showing kids how to inject smack as a practical lesson.
it's shameful piss poor ignorance.
it's shameful piss poor ignorance.
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cybershot
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Just occurred to me one of my mates who I did a Wordpress site for, is a cam model. I generally forget I've done these, because once the template is done, little else ever needs changing and they can do the blog section bit themselves. So this now actually hits home a bit more, am I going to have to put up a block, find a way of accepting card authorisations, just for a site which advertises her services via other sites, which process the payments and do the software. There's no nudity on the site what so ever on her own site, just lingerie/dress up pics in a very small picture gallery section of the site, actually as I type this i lie, she's posted some pictures with her tits out on the blog bit from her holiday!
I only remembered because she tweeted me about it, and so what about Twitter?
Are we going to have to supply card details to use Twitter? As most who use twitter will know, they rarely censor anything, are even slow at dealing with abusive people and trolls. Many porn stars/porn sites/cam models/glamour models/ use it to promote their goods, and even the regular joe bloggs will tweet these people back (despite their constant requests to not send dick pics) with pictures of their own goods!
I only remembered because she tweeted me about it, and so what about Twitter?
Are we going to have to supply card details to use Twitter? As most who use twitter will know, they rarely censor anything, are even slow at dealing with abusive people and trolls. Many porn stars/porn sites/cam models/glamour models/ use it to promote their goods, and even the regular joe bloggs will tweet these people back (despite their constant requests to not send dick pics) with pictures of their own goods!
blogs wont be covered by this and as shes using a third party site for access and payment it should be handled by them, you neednt set up blocks as I'm sure the lingerie section of m&s website wont be under a block, twitter dont really give a fuck and nor do the blog sites
the govt want to go after big name sites, one girls blog with her tits out is nothing.
the govt want to go after big name sites, one girls blog with her tits out is nothing.
Blogs will in theory be covered by this, although the government have said it wil not apply to twitter etc, which seems strange as under the new legislation twitter/tumblr/wordpress and all the rest will be breaking the law but for some reason will be immune from prosecution. I need to read any amendments to try and make sense of how this will work.
The threshold of what constitutes porn is anything that would usually attract an 18 certificate that is intended to sexually arouse, a much lower threshold than what is currently considered porn incidentally, but unlikely to include topless shots. The urban naked thread might be another matter. The legislation will also cover sound, potentially meaning audiobooks could fall under the new censorship regime. The BBFC are chomping at the bitt having finally regained some relevence and with a big new budget on the way I would not expect them to be shy in pursuing prosecutions or take down notices. This may well not stop at porn either, there are already murmerings from the alliance of evangelical groups, christian charities and tory right wingers who lobbied for these laws to extend the censorship regime to violence, drugs etc.
Having said that if twittter etc are not included, and gven these laws will need a pretty large degree of international co-operation to be truly effective which simply isn't there, then I suspect the amount of porn available to under 18s will be largely unaffected, even before torrents etc are taken into account. They're using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, except they will miss the nut completely in most cases.
The threshold of what constitutes porn is anything that would usually attract an 18 certificate that is intended to sexually arouse, a much lower threshold than what is currently considered porn incidentally, but unlikely to include topless shots. The urban naked thread might be another matter. The legislation will also cover sound, potentially meaning audiobooks could fall under the new censorship regime. The BBFC are chomping at the bitt having finally regained some relevence and with a big new budget on the way I would not expect them to be shy in pursuing prosecutions or take down notices. This may well not stop at porn either, there are already murmerings from the alliance of evangelical groups, christian charities and tory right wingers who lobbied for these laws to extend the censorship regime to violence, drugs etc.
Having said that if twittter etc are not included, and gven these laws will need a pretty large degree of international co-operation to be truly effective which simply isn't there, then I suspect the amount of porn available to under 18s will be largely unaffected, even before torrents etc are taken into account. They're using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, except they will miss the nut completely in most cases.
Given the heavy involvement of gay cure fundies like CARE and the Evangelical Alliance in this legislation I suspect there are many who will be very pleased that its likely to be lgbt and kink porn companies that bear the brunt of these new laws.
CARE have previously organised events discussing cures for LGBT people who they described as 'sexually broken'.
CARE have previously organised events discussing cures for LGBT people who they described as 'sexually broken'.
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
If that's what she gets up to when she's not reading the news, I'm glad Huw Edwards is getting paid more...
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
Isn't that a channel on porn hub
Not from 2018: -
Saucy Ankle-Flashers
Sexy Santa Undies
Lights Out - Just as Jesus Wanted
Peppermint Foot Lotion
Balloon Dancing
Is there a toning mist channel?
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Shower pages of the Argos catalogue.Has anyone ever had to get by with that when their Internet went down?
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