UK gov to ban porn sites that don't verify users' age
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sealion
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77 actually (according to a mate of mine)Bushes? When was this, 1975?
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Cor browser would be more apt.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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Raheem
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Porn sites have been driving the internet forward almost since the beginning.Filth and money attracts a lot of brain power and they are many steps ahead of any regulation by the state.I'm not a parent but would suspect any parent who thinks they can stop older children accessing porn is fooling themselves,communication is needed not heavy handed regulation.
keybored
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
a good five yrs back now I think- in fact despite losing the case was a good example of how people deciding what is 'non conventional' can lead to abuses of power. It was a prosecution brought by the metropolitan police against a defense barrister who they didn't like because he's got a few people off
Former Boris Johnson aide cleared of possession of 'extreme pornography'
and that article says he didn't even have fisting DVD's, just some fisting stuff in his emails
Doesn't mean we should put up with it or tolerate it, there is nothing wrong with keeping things away from kids if it's not age appropriate. If the porn industry has been allowed to grow and dominate the internet to such an extent that people and parents feel powerless to control it, then shouldn't we be looking at how this came to be and looking at ways to clip the wings of the porn industry?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The thing is that, contrary to that Avenue Q song "The Internet Is For Porn", it doesn't actually dominate the internet. Spam does. But efforts to curtail spam don't have the same emotional triggers that protecting children from smut does, so the latter is how governments desperately flailing to find legitimacy dress up their attempts to distract the general public from their shitness.
no, parents need to take more responsibility, but that might require putting in some form of effort so expect the govt to lock shit down.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I vaguely remember ticking some box or something once when I got my first smartphone contract. I'm pretty sure that when I got my current landline connection I didn't have to do this, however.
cybershot
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This to me seems the better option, and if daddy wants to access porn, then surely a better system needs to come into place where a user/password combo will allow access to the XXX goodness for a predetermined amount of time (7 mins could probably be the default)
I just don't see the likes of youporn/pornhub etc putting up a 'paywall' and forcing all IPs from the UK to have to register. Let alone every other porn site out there, which will then turn to court orders again for the ISPs to block the sites because they have refused to abide by UK law.
The again, they may see it as a way to entice users to pay, we've aldready got your details, click here for 50% off for 6 months!!
And let's be honest, all this is going to encourage is kiddy grabbing parents credit card when not looking and entering the details, which if kid is smart enough, they will just record the details, probably on their computer
and thus springs a whole new world of kids frauding their parents, or even worse, uneducated kids getting spyware on their PCs and daddies credit card info stolen.What a mess.
I had to opt out with Three when I joined them, all I had to do was tick a box, I guess because I'm over 18 already according to them!
I meant dominate in the sense that so many people have this idea/feeling that they are powerless to have any control over the internet and certain niche areas such as porn. Such a narrative that you are powerless to control the internet and that it can pump out whatever it wants regardless of it's effects for society is a very useful narrative for the tech and porn industry, it allows them to get away with everything they are doing and as they cannot defend their actions based on any moral or socially beneficial logic they simply say there is nothing that you can do about it.
Well from that quote I can tell you have never had look after any kids as you wouldn't come out with such shit if that was the case.
Most parent work flat out looking after their kids in a society that is becoming ever harder in which to raise them and even the most attentive parents cannot be there 100% of the time. What about parents who are out at work while the kids are at home, but no you obviously know best and these parents should just "take more responsibility".
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
If the narrative doesn't match reality, as the link I gave strongly indicates, then that begs the question of how this narrative came to be. The narrative that the "unfiltered" internet is a danger to society is also a useful one for those seeking to control the internet for their own purposes, no? All the better if said narrative pushers can cloak themselves in moral outrage while doing so, because very few people want to risk being considered a wrong 'un.
cybershot
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Well from that quote I can tell you have never had look after any kids as you wouldn't come out with such shit if that was the case.
Most parent work flat out looking after their kids in a society that is becoming ever harder in which to raise them and even the most attentive parents cannot be there 100% of the time. What about parents who are out at work while the kids are at home, but no you obviously know best and these parents should just "take more responsibility".
Kids under 12 are not meant to be left at home alone! I certainly wouldn't let them have computers in their room below that anyway, but yeah, i know, smartphones/tablets But again, should they really have their own at tat age?
I know the narrative doesn't match reality and of course you can regulate the internet, those who say you can't are the one to profit from it (tech and porn industry) and their useful idiots (social liberals/libertarians/free speech fundies). Whether the narrative is true or not is irrelevant, they push that narrative and enough people believe in it.
Well regardless of the motivations of some, objectively speaking an unfiltered and unregulated internet is bad for society, on so many levels. Would you want the crap on the Darknet to become normalised and widespread?
Also I'm not one of those free speech fundie twats and I do believe there are times when it acceptable and right to censor/prohibit material.
You speak of moral outrages as if they were a bad thing, if anything we need more of them in this day and age. If being concerned about 7 yr olds are being exposed harcore porn is a moral outrage, then by all means call me morally outraged, I'll wear that badge with pride.
UnderOpenSky
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On the plus side it will breed more tech savy 7 year olds who can learn how to use a VPN or similar to bypass what ever filters are put in place.
What about early teens, ie; under 15s? I would also like to add that a lot of parents also will leave the house for work and leave an older sibling in charge of babysitting so constant monitoring by elder family members is just not possible.
Also, I have heard of some school encouraging kids to get smartphones and tablets as part of their learning and such things will possibly increase in the future. To be honest, stopping kids having smartphones would entail far more social control and state intervention than something simple like asking for porn companies to confirm the age of their viewers.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
False narratives can be harmful. The narrative that recipients of benefits are mostly shiftless lazy scum has been of great help for those pushing austerity, for example.
Selling/distributing firearms, controlled drugs, and images of child abuse was illegal in the UK long before the internet was a thing, and I don't think anyone gets a free pass just because they do it over the internet.
I said that the narrative pushers - governments and their tame press etc - cloak themselves in moral outrage, not that they actually genuinely care. If they did actually give a shit, then maybe the police would get more funding to deal with criminals who operate on the internet, and maybe the gutter press wouldn't publish leering stories focusing on the bodies of young celebrities.
The fact that neither is actually happening shows their real priorities.
Johnny Vodka
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Well from that quote I can tell you have never had look after any kids as you wouldn't come out with such shit if that was the case.
Most parent work flat out looking after their kids in a society that is becoming ever harder in which to raise them and even the most attentive parents cannot be there 100% of the time. What about parents who are out at work while the kids are at home, but no you obviously know best and these parents should just "take more responsibility".
Society becoming ever harder? Despite what the media/govt would have you believe, kids in the UK are probably more protected than they've ever been, and more protected than kids in most parts of the world. Do you expect to shield kids 100% from topics like sex and death? Yeah, you try and shield them as much as you can, but things are always going to slip through. I guess more important is to be able to discuss stuff with them.
What about people who don't have kids? Do they not have the right to access adult content without having to hand credit card details to sites which could easily be hacked?
I certainly won't be putting cc details into no porn site.
I wonder if they're actually wanting to discourage adults from watching porn?Exactly, as does the narrative that the internet cannot be regulated benefits the tech and porn industry.
I never said that and was simply making the point that if you took this libertarian logic to it's logical conclusion then even the really nasty shit you get on the Darknet will end up becoming legal. The above are all (rightly) illegal in their own right but much of the stuff you see on hardcore porn (fisting, watersports etc...) are legal to do and since is not a crime to view this material if you are an adult, how else do you keep such things from children. Asking for porn site to confirm the age of their viewers is a sensible one even if I don't think it will be 100% effective, but then again just because something isn't 100% effective doesn't mean it was the wrong thing to do. I don't see anyone calling for murder to be legalised on the basis that murders still happen despite the law.
I know all of that but it doesn't change my views on the matter, why should it? Isn't the solution then to get a better, less hypocritical, less cynical government in power rather than throw our hands up and say the internet cannot be regulated because the motives of those some of those who do are not pure?
Well from that quote I can tell you have never had look after any kids as you wouldn't come out with such shit if that was the case.
Most parent work flat out looking after their kids in a society that is becoming ever harder in which to raise them and even the most attentive parents cannot be there 100% of the time. What about parents who are out at work while the kids are at home, but no you obviously know best and these parents should just "take more responsibility".
think what you like, dont really know what yer point is.
not really much effort to lock down yer kids phone and ring yer isp to block adult content.
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