UK gov to ban porn sites that don't verify users' age

[Nikkormat]

What competition? PornHub is entertainment, teachers are an educational resource. I don't know if sex education addresses the fact that porn is a performance, like a Hollywood movie but with a much lower budget and even worse narratives. Maybe a little frank discussion about how un-sexy the whole porn-making process is. Show how the sausage is made, so to speak. Not to put them off the whole idea, but to give an unvarnished perspective on how a particular product is made. A product made to entertain, rather than inform or educate.

And that's exactly what is taught, in schools I've worked at. As for competition, what I mean is that kids will take in what is taught to some extent or other, but the lure of porn remains and attracts - rather like anti-smoking education.

 

[NoXion]

And that's exactly what is taught, in schools I've worked at. As for competition, what I mean is that kids will take in what is taught to some extent or other, but the lure of porn remains and attracts - rather like anti-smoking education.

If it's structured and presented in the same way as "anti-smoking education", then maybe that's part of the problem. I think it's asinine puritanism to treat porn like smoking.

 

[Nikkormat]

If it's structured and presented in the same way as "anti-smoking education", then maybe that's part of the problem. I think it's asinine puritanism to treat porn like smoking.

No, but again, at least not how it's taught where I've worked. Given the further encroachment of Daily Mailism into education in England though, I can't speak for over there.

 

[existentialist]

If it's structured and presented in the same way as "anti-smoking education", then maybe that's part of the problem. I think it's asinine puritanism to treat porn like smoking.

TBH, I think most anti-smoking education is pretty counterproductive. Probably because a lot of it is asinine puritanism.

 

[Cado]

I'd ban SexEd in school, does more damage IMO than solve problems. I mean WHAT IS ITS POINT? They might as well just stick a picture of two humping bunnies on the blackboard and say do that. ON the basis they don't what actually is it they are trying to acheive?

 

[Serge Forward]

 

[two sheds]

I'd ban SexEd in school, does more damage IMO than solve problems. I mean WHAT IS ITS POINT? They might as well just stick a picture of two humping bunnies on the blackboard and say do that.

Do you have a video of that?

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

TBH, I think most anti-smoking education is pretty counterproductive. Probably because a lot of it is asinine puritanism.

not sure what happens here but my memories of anti-smoking propaganda in the french school system mostly had videos of post mortem lungs being sliced though and assorted stuff like what is on the opackets these days.
Still didn't stop me taking it up as I'm an idiot.

 

[tim]

One truly massive social change I have noticed over the past 20+ years ago is that you would go into a newsagents and the entire top shelf would be girly magazines now it's cooking and garden mags with the odd lads mag clinging forlornly to one end.

My local Tesco's in East Ham always has one forlorn copy of the most recent "Farmers' Weekly" in its magazine rack.

 

[keybored]

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[keybored]

Suitcases full of it in hedges, everywhere!

We used to find hedge porn, stashed in plastic bags.

We used to think the Porn Fairies put them there.

 

[two sheds]

Does this mean that VPNs will just be able to bypass it?

asking for a friend

 

[FridgeMagnet]

UK Tories want a national database of porn-viewing habits

Oh fuck not this bullshit again.

doctorow.medium.com

 

[Cado]

Do you have a video of that?

Unfortunatly what the "birds" and the "bees" get up to now is considered offensive.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

It's a bit late isn't it?

It's there, you can't play wack a mole with it.

What is needed is PROPER sex education in schools.

And they really can't handle that. I mean we weren't even allowed to hear about homosexuality when I was at school . That was due to...

*checks notes...

Oh yes the conservative government. Fucking taliban with BMWs and second homes.

 

[kabbes]

not sure what happens here but my memories of anti-smoking propaganda in the french school system mostly had videos of post mortem lungs being sliced though and assorted stuff like what is on the opackets these days.
Still didn't stop me taking it up as I'm an idiot.

The Americans have done extensive research on this. They have found that by far the best anti-drug and smoking education is nothing to do with teaching about drugs and tobacco but to teach kids life skills, assertiveness and how to handle social situations in which you want to say “no”. The least effective is teaching kids directly about drugs and tobacco — you end up with kids that know loads about drugs but still take them anyway.

Like, last time I checked the data, the only part of the medical establishment that has lower smoking rates than the general population (normalised for demographics) was the actual oncology doctors. The rest, the most educated of us at all about smoking, were just like the rest of the population. Education is not the same as experience, and its experience that’s is king when it comes to decision making.

 

[existentialist]

The Americans have done extensive research on this. They have found that by far the best anti-drug and smoking education is nothing to do with teaching about drugs and tobacco but to teach kids life skills, assertiveness and how to handle social situations in which you want to say “no”. The least effective is teaching kids directly about drugs and tobacco — you end up with kids that know loads about drugs but still take them anyway.

Yeah, but then it doesn't look as if you're Getting Tough On Drugs. So it'll never fly...

 

[NoXion]

The Americans have done extensive research on this. They have found that by far the best anti-drug and smoking education is nothing to do with teaching about drugs and tobacco but to teach kids life skills, assertiveness and how to handle social situations in which you want to say “no”. The least effective is teaching kids directly about drugs and tobacco — you end up with kids that know loads about drugs but still take them anyway.

Like, last time I checked the data, the only part of the medical establishment that has lower smoking rates than the general population (normalised for demographics) was the actual oncology doctors. The rest, the most educated of us at all about smoking, were just like the rest of the population. Education is not the same as experience, and its experience that’s is king when it comes to decision making.

I understand that the American approach was more than a mere presentation of blunt facts, which probably would have done less damage. They hyped up the dangers of substances like cannabis which had a tendency to not jive with experience, leading to questioning of all the bad stuff around harder drugs.

 

[nogojones]

UK Tories want a national database of porn-viewing habits

Oh fuck not this bullshit again.

doctorow.medium.com

Is tory snuff porn a catagory in the database?

 

[kabbes]

I understand that the American approach was more than a mere presentation of blunt facts, which probably would have done less damage. They hyped up the dangers of substances like cannabis which had a tendency to not jive with experience, leading to questioning of all the bad stuff around harder drugs.

IIRC they tested a range of approaches on it

 

[Cado]

What is needed is PROPER sex education in schools.

But to what end?

Are you trying to get the kids shagging or not? I got my SExEd in Primary 7 and 2nd Year High - it was total murder-shop.

You'll achieve more by not doing it.

 

[existentialist]

But to what end?

Are you trying to get the kids shagging or not? I got my SExEd in Primary 7 and 2nd Year High - it was total murder-shop.

You'll achieve more by not doing it.

That is, in effect, what a lot of current sex education is - an attempt to tick the boxes by promoting a "just say no" agenda which doesn't cut any ice at all with the people it's directed at.

There needs to be something. Ideally, it would be a parental responsibility, but we know that parents can fall down on the job when it comes to all kinds of things, and - in the interests of society as a whole - it makes sense to provide it elsewhere. Providing that it's meaningful, relevant, and useful, which I don't think the current approach achieves particularly well.

 

[bimble]

There are people out there who could do properly good sex Ed curriculums, but they’d not get jobs in our schools as they are obvs.
This person for instance (just something I really like, she does teach in schools but not here).

Everyone should have access to ideas like these instead of ridiculous ‘hey kids this is a condom’ classes years too late.

 

[Cado]

an attempt to tick the boxes

What boxes?

Anyway, I'd throw the whole lot in the bin, its counterproductive.

Ideally, it would be a parental responsibility, but we know that parents can fall down on the job

I agree, but what job? If they aren't your kids they aren't your kids.
Ive watched cats and their kittens, when they're old enough to breed they do.
The most kids need is some assistance in avoiding accidents. Like unwanted pregnancy.

of ridiculous ‘hey kids this is a condom’ classes years too late.

IF that was all it was I wouldn't be complaining.

 

[NoXion]

The most kids need is some assistance in avoiding accidents. Like unwanted pregnancy.

Nah, I think there should also be discussions about the whole "consent" thing. If the existence of incels is anything to go by, then there are parents who neglect those lessons.

 

[Cado]

then there are parents who neglect those lessons.

What lessons?
They're probably a different denomination/breed/church therefore do things differently - there is no right and wrong on this.

 

[NoXion]

What lessons?
They're probably a different denomination/breed/church therefore do things differently - there is no right and wrong on this.

So we should neglect sex education because rape culture exists? That's fucked up.

 

[tonysingh]

Sex education should start early and include stuff like consent and bodily autonomy as well as covering same sex relationships. The earlier we treat sex as not something to be hidden away and sniggered at, the safer our kids will be.

 

[kabbes]

What lessons?
They're probably a different denomination/breed/church therefore do things differently - there is no right and wrong on this.

There is definitely a right and wrong on this

 

[Cado]

So we should neglect sex education because rape culture exists? That's fucked up.

No we shouldn't do it full stop. If they ain't your kids, they ain't your kids.

the safer our kids will be.

Whose "our" kids - they're either yours or they're not, you should know.

SexEd totally mind-raped me and most of the people I know growing up - it should be family choice by all means but it should be kept out of schools.