Tottenham Hotspur 2011-2012 Official Thread
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London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Jesus, it's like a school trip for the slow stream in here.
What do we want from Chelsea vs. Man Utd, a draw or a Man Utd win?
What do we want from Chelsea vs. Man Utd, a draw or a Man Utd win?
newbie
undisambiguated
It's LC who broke your precious thread, no-one else, through his petulant reaction to being called 'old' as though that's somehow meaningful. It's not, age related name-calling is a matter of perception, as the saying goes you're as old as you feel, or maybe as the lover you feel. We've all been young and most live to experience being middle-aged and elderly. In the context of a forum if LC posts stuff that someone characterises as 'old' then he has only himself to blame, if he's that pathetically sensitive to being called, or thought of, as 'old' that's his problem and something he'll have to get used to because he's never going to get any younger.
Frankly, the discussion where RAF called him 'old' struck me as teenage twaddle, the sort of thing that most people grow out of sometime before they're legally allowed to drive. But in which grown adults indulge themselves in a sad attempt to recapture their lost youth. In that context to take great offence at a petty jibe is the sort of thing that gets 13 year olds sent to their room, but which adults ought to understand a little more clearly. Coming out with a race based retort is in a completely different league- no behaviour is ethnically Pakistani, ethnically British or ethnically anything else. There is no correlation between the two posts and it's utterly pathetic that anyone is claiming there is.
The only person who can properly resolve this is London Calling, who should apologise forthwith. That's what an adult would do.
Frankly, the discussion where RAF called him 'old' struck me as teenage twaddle, the sort of thing that most people grow out of sometime before they're legally allowed to drive. But in which grown adults indulge themselves in a sad attempt to recapture their lost youth. In that context to take great offence at a petty jibe is the sort of thing that gets 13 year olds sent to their room, but which adults ought to understand a little more clearly. Coming out with a race based retort is in a completely different league- no behaviour is ethnically Pakistani, ethnically British or ethnically anything else. There is no correlation between the two posts and it's utterly pathetic that anyone is claiming there is.
The only person who can properly resolve this is London Calling, who should apologise forthwith. That's what an adult would do.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I don't mind people being slow or just plain fik - we all have our crosses to bear - but that's enough, really. You can explain and explain but a point arrives when, even if some still can't grasp the argument and they insist on continuing, it's time to move on.
Ignore button until they've all fucked off and we can talk about football.
*clicks*
Ignore button until they've all fucked off and we can talk about football.
*clicks*
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Man U win please. Some realism would be nice.
chieftain
Mega Gammon
Tell him me and you can cunt each other off on whatever thread we feel like.
Get on the naughty step
Chilli Sauch
New Member
It's LC who broke your precious thread, no-one else, through his petulant reaction to being called 'old' as though that's somehow meaningful. It's not, age related name-calling is a matter of perception, as the saying goes you're as old as you feel, or maybe as the lover you feel. We've all been young and most live to experience being middle-aged and elderly. In the context of a forum if LC posts stuff that someone characterises as 'old' then he has only himself to blame, if he's that pathetically sensitive to being called, or thought of, as 'old' that's his problem and something he'll have to get used to because he's never going to get any younger.
Frankly, the discussion where RAF called him 'old' struck me as teenage twaddle, the sort of thing that most people grow out of sometime before they're legally allowed to drive. But in which grown adults indulge themselves in a sad attempt to recapture their lost youth. In that context to take great offence at a petty jibe is the sort of thing that gets 13 year olds sent to their room, but which adults ought to understand a little more clearly. Coming out with a race based retort is in a completely different league- no behaviour is ethnically Pakistani, ethnically British or ethnically anything else. There is no correlation between the two posts and it's utterly pathetic that anyone is claiming there is.
The only person who can properly resolve this is London Calling, who should apologise forthwith. That's what an adult would do.
Great post.
I should also point out that I know Shark Finn (http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...-official-thread.275412/page-57#post-10892517). A bunch of us post on another forum--which is how we know Refused--and English isn't his first language. He's also impressively well educated. So the tosser who was going on about the supposed sockpuppets' spelling, they were having a go at a foreigner. Fitting.
Also what is this bullshit about LC's sexuality? That sad fucker couldn't get laid if he was paying for it.
In any case, I'm glad to hear the original offending post have been removed. I don't think it's enough, but at least the shithead's been given a proper warning.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Given up on even finishing second then?
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
replace the word old with black and you are excusing racism so why should ageism be treated differently? Saying that LC was out of order and I think a utd loss would be best because I still think tottenham have a good chance of finishing at least 2nd.
Chilli Sauch
New Member
Two totally different contexts.
As has been pointed out, everyone experiences being young and most of us experiencing being old. Only a minority of us experience being a minority in overwhelming white country with a history of slave trading, a legacy of hundreds of years of racist imperialism, and an overwhelming white political, economic, and social power structure.
As has been pointed out, everyone experiences being young and most of us experiencing being old. Only a minority of us experience being a minority in overwhelming white country with a history of slave trading, a legacy of hundreds of years of racist imperialism, and an overwhelming white political, economic, and social power structure.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
of course but it doesn't make it right to single someone out for their age/gender/sexuality/race etc. whatever the context. And any term highlighting those things can be just as offensive to the recipient. Personally I don't think Refused intended to cause offence and LC was a twat in the way that he replied, and his justification for doing so was poor but I'm not keen on people essentially saying racism = bad, ageism = ok .
Corax
Luke 5:16
Morris dancing, yodelling, and sepukku.
newbie
undisambiguated
because it's completely different. Obviously.
This isn't about employment law or anything like that where you might have a point. It's about tit for tat online banter and whether a serious, important line has been crossed.
Despite the rather ridiculous pedantry about Morris dancing (which has sfa to do with ethnicity) it's blatantly obvious that jibes about behaving like a petulant teenager, a spoilt child or an old codger have no parallel with raced based insults. No-one expects them to be taken seriously, they don't matter and that's because they're a description of perceived behaviour. We can all carry on in ways that can be put down as like some stereotypical agegroup irrespective of our actual chronological age.
We can also all be wise beyond our years, show great maturity or have the sparkling energy of a teen, and so on, ie be applauded in ways which reflect on positive behaviour associated with a particular agegroup. What is the race related parallel for that?
I have no idea how many birthdays LC has had, I don't care, it doesn't matter. But i feel completely at liberty to accuse him of behaving like a rather pathetic teenager and telling him to grow up and apologise. And I notice that his rather sheepish reaction to such agist jibes from me and others doesn't include anything about our racial backgrounds. Why not? Because he used Pakistani as an insult and that is something he should never have done.
Corax
Luke 5:16
I resemble that remark.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
Firstly , it's not down to you to say whether someone is offended by something or not so you can blather on about them being different, it's the person who the jibe is aimed at that counts.
Secondly, I don't want to be defending LC here because he was well out of order and pretty much deserves the reaction he's got , I just find it hypocritical that you can jump up and down screaming racism but justify ageism as a joke.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
I'm not saying that, in fact I've never even said telling someone to grow up is what I'm talking about. I'm saying equating age with being useless and a tosser is ageism as it reinforces negative sterotypes of old people, just in much the same way racism is used. I don't think what Refused said was intended to offend anyone and was clearly meant as a bit of humour, but the fact remains it is still ageist, equating old people with being useless is still offensive but it does not justify the reaction from LC.
A statement based on offensive stereotypes of old people has been ignored when a racist statement (which quite frankly made absolutely no sense at all,even in the context LC claims he said it in) has been pounced on. I don't think there should be a hierarchy of 'isms which this thread seems to show exists and is actively supported.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
I think a Chelsea win would have been better for you
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
The fixture list between here and the end of March worries the hell out of me.
Having said that, I almost fancy tomorrow...
Having said that, I almost fancy tomorrow...
newbie
undisambiguated
funny, then, that no-one has picked me up for 'petulant teenager' or 'spoilt child'. Negative stereotypes.
There's no objection been raised to him being called useless or a tosser, simply to the word 'old' in the same phrase. Given that most reading this have no idea what chronological age he is (almost certainly younger than some readers and older than others) the offence is a general one, to all those who consider themselves 'old'. Just as I've potentially offended all those who think of themselves as a teenager. An insult based directly on his actual, personal age characteristic would be a different matter.
I'm not going to the stake for the right to make generalised age related jibes, but in the context of this thread the difference between that and a direct, personal, insult based on someones ethnic origin is stark, and reflects very badly on him. His refusal to apologise when told how offensive he's been is shameful.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
Stop trying to get this thread back on topic.
chieftain
Mega Gammon
Nah, we'll beat you and you'll remember how average you are. Kenny will scowl a lot in his ill fitting training jacket and Dirk Kyut (excuse the spelling) will look even more like the big soft fella from the goonies.
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