Tottenham Hotspur 2011-2012 Official Thread
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kained&able
Here for the football.
yeah, i know saying lc was out of order. bang out.
dave
dave
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Who the fuck are you and what are you doing in the spurs thread?
Chilli Sauch
New Member
So I'm new to this forum, but I'm shocked London_Calling's (the Clash would be disgusted by you, btw) language and presence has been tolerated. Considering that urban75 was supposedly “first started as an anti-racist football comic” is it is disgraceful such behaviour is not resulting in round condemnation from others users and the admins.
//casual agist remark//
So let's examine this statement. First, it clearly wasn't ageist, it was a joke. As someone pointed out, Refused's comment is pretty standard banter. Bringing up someone's racial background during a disagreement, that's not fucking acceptable banter. Now place this in in the context of football, with it's rich history of racism and things really get serious.
And if it truly offended you, I'm sure Urban75 has a moderation policy, you should have referred him to the moderators. Yet, by claiming that you accept that Refused's statement was “ageist” (which, again, it wasn't), you also accept the logic that your statement was racist.
Now even if you don't think your comment was racist (it was) any person with a shred of human decency would apologise and remove it. The fact you've tried 25 different ways to justify the statement is pretty fucking telling. Pretend this is about fucking football? You sad, sad little person.
As for the Urban75 admins, this sort of thing wouldn't be tolerated on even apolitical forums. Seriously, I don't think Tory forums would accept such clearly racially charged language. The fact this hasn't resulted in a ban really makes me wonder at the principles of a forum that has such a large following and a supposedly progressive website. Disgusting.
//casual agist remark//
So let's examine this statement. First, it clearly wasn't ageist, it was a joke. As someone pointed out, Refused's comment is pretty standard banter. Bringing up someone's racial background during a disagreement, that's not fucking acceptable banter. Now place this in in the context of football, with it's rich history of racism and things really get serious.
And if it truly offended you, I'm sure Urban75 has a moderation policy, you should have referred him to the moderators. Yet, by claiming that you accept that Refused's statement was “ageist” (which, again, it wasn't), you also accept the logic that your statement was racist.
Now even if you don't think your comment was racist (it was) any person with a shred of human decency would apologise and remove it. The fact you've tried 25 different ways to justify the statement is pretty fucking telling. Pretend this is about fucking football? You sad, sad little person.
As for the Urban75 admins, this sort of thing wouldn't be tolerated on even apolitical forums. Seriously, I don't think Tory forums would accept such clearly racially charged language. The fact this hasn't resulted in a ban really makes me wonder at the principles of a forum that has such a large following and a supposedly progressive website. Disgusting.
chieftain
Mega Gammon
Don't fancy yours much Paul
by the minute.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Sauch? Is this another of those woad-smeared pictish barbarians like Fed and the ginger cunt? This is a decent Southern thread.
Corax
Luke 5:16
As I've said, I agree about the apology, but it was poor judgement rather than anything else. In truth, if he'd delivered the line in person, with all the intonation, facial expression and body language that would be associated with his intent (ie - "Is that alright? No, so neither is what you said"), then I doubt it would be considered much of an issue. Intent does matter. If it doesn't then what the fuck are those of us opposed to the likes of the EDL fighting for? Censorship of language? No, we're fighting for a change in people's thoughts. For that reason, putting LC in front of the firing squad when I'm damn sure no one on here actually thinks him a bigot does us all a disservice.
And if ChilliSauch isn't a sockpuppet then it must be his first day on the internet. I've been banned from more than one football forum for standing up against bigotry, and comments exponentially worse than LC's (and with intent behind them as well) are considered perfectly acceptable all over the place unfortunately. Calling someone out as a bigot gets the banhammer far quicker than being borderline KKK does.
Chilli Sauch
New Member
Is that the wit you racist-defending Southerners are known for
TruXta
tired
You don't know what LC's intent was. Neither do I. On the evidence we have before us - the words he chose to post here - what he said was unacceptable and more than borderline racist. That doesn't make LC a racist in and of itself.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
What will be genuinely amusing will be whoever this is being banned for sockpuppetry.
Chilli Sauch
New Member
Even if LC's intent wasn't to be racist, lots of people do and say racist things without intending to. I have family members who wouldn't consider themselves bigoted (who does?) in any way, but hold a particular racial assumptions. This doesn't mean they can't befriend a black person, only that they hold "ethnics" are held to a particular standard which doesn't apply to white people. People joining the KKK or dropping the N-word is the easy to type of racism to identify, far more insidious is the casual racism which supports and enables the vicious racists to think that their beliefs are acceptable.
As to "censorship of language", people shouldn't be allowed to come on a forum and taunt people in a racialised way. That's fucking racist bullying and shouldn't be tolerated. I'm sure a lot of other forums are worse. So what? Racism in all its forms needs to be challenged.
As to "censorship of language", people shouldn't be allowed to come on a forum and taunt people in a racialised way. That's fucking racist bullying and shouldn't be tolerated. I'm sure a lot of other forums are worse. So what? Racism in all its forms needs to be challenged.
Chilli Sauch
New Member
Well have the admins check my IP address, there's no sockpuppeting going on here. The fact that's your response to someone calling out racism on a forum you participate in, however, is pretty telling.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Anyone know which of the shortbread-munchers and professional offence-takers has the elite geek skills to use a proxy server?
Corax
Luke 5:16
What? Of course we do. It's absolutely obvious with anything more than a cursory scan of the comment and context, and LC explained it afterwards as well. His second biggest mistake was to credit 'people on the internet' with the ability to comprehend with any degree of sophistication.
Oh, and Chilli Sauch - you can fuck off with implying I'm racist thanks you irrelevant cunt.
Maybe if you hadn't spent 10 pages on this thread once calling us all racist because we wouldn't condemn a player who was accused of racism in a tabloid and then posted up endless gifs and acted like an utter cunt, you would have a lot more support, but because you behave like that I would rather not jump to your support.
Chilli Sauch
New Member
Well, you're giving me a lot more technological credit than I'm due. Corax, I wasn't trying to imply you're a racist (though with an avatar like that...) what I'm explicitly stating is that you're defending a blatantly racist comment--and not doing a very good job of it. If you're gonna respond, least you could do is, ya know, actually respond to substance of my posts.
Chilli Sauch
New Member
I'm not whoever you think I am (although I get the feeling this will be a pointless battle y'all will use to ignore the actual issue of racism), but I should ask you why in five pages since LC's comment you haven't condemned it?
Corax
Luke 5:16
Avatar has a history behind it that I can't be arsed explaining to you.
You're good at irony, I'll give you that.
You've utterly ignored what I've posted in mitigation of LC's comment, so I'm buggered if I'll respond to your Diversity training course powerpoint slide comments.
Note - mitigation, not defence. Do you not understand the difference?
lol
Corax
Luke 5:16
I'm genuinely starting to think you're a bit thick. Sorry, but keep repeatedly fail to comprehend what other people do easily.*
I'm not 'acting the fool' Truxta. You've utterly failed to understand what I've written.
*If English isn't your 1st language I apologise. I hadn't considered that initially.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
All we need now is Gazza to turn up in a taxi with a few beers and a fishing rod, to support his pal like.
