London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Oh, and 12 points the gap to the goons - still 10 points to 5th place. With 15 matches remaining... not quite time for the smelling salts. Yet.
Tottenham Hotspur 2011-2012 Official Thread
- Thread starter kained&able
- Start date
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
No, it's accurate. I haven't posted here in years* but having spoken to Refused last night I've never seen him so upset, not least by the way in which most people here seem to have dismissed him and done their best to get back to gassing aimlessly about football rather than back him up. As far as he's concerned he thought he was in one of the few spaces in the world where racist abuse would be stamped on - ie. a left-liberal leaning online forum where the brief summary of the terms and conditions clearly isn't just a stock one:
Instead he's told he doesn't know what racism is and the only censure of the culprit is being told "don't do it again." The post, I note, is still up. Atm he's reading this thread, but I highly doubt he'll ever post on Urban again if people insist on looking the other way so you WILL have successfully driven a long-time poster off the site by ignoring a racist comment (and of course your own moderating policy). Personally, I think the reaction on here is down to a combination of not wanting to take on a 25,000-post big beast of the site and basic stare-into-your-beer-and-hope-it-goes-away cowardice. Neither of which reflect well on this thread or its participants.
* Left around the time the Tolling Gang got set up! Inb4 "who are you" nonsense, play the ball not the man etc.
kained&able
Here for the football.
Oh yeah, bae is certainly better then he was, but definitely the weak link in your team.
dave
dave
Deareg
Well-Known Member
I have seen far worse on here said about the Irish, about Travellers and about Muslims so fuck knows where he got his impression from.
chieftain
Mega Gammon
FWIW I'm no fan of Refused due ONLY to the attention seeking content of many of his posts directed at or around me (prior to me putting him on ignore) being deliberately fucking rude, boardering on malicious.
I still don't think LC's post was racist, misjudged yes but malicous NO.
I've no idea what this means?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Hang on, hang on... he caused the upset, and he did that by casually abusing me. That's how this started.
Subsequent to that, the whole point was to show him it isn't acceptable to casually co-opt any 'ism' for the purpose of abuse. He needs to learn that.
I see the ignore fuction may be back with us later today. A big sigh of relief all round, I'd imagine.
Quite why he wanted to talk to people he knew didn't want anything to do with him (but had to see his posts until the ignore function came back) I don't understand. That is genuinely weird.
Subsequent to that, the whole point was to show him it isn't acceptable to casually co-opt any 'ism' for the purpose of abuse. He needs to learn that.
I see the ignore fuction may be back with us later today. A big sigh of relief all round, I'd imagine.
Quite why he wanted to talk to people he knew didn't want anything to do with him (but had to see his posts until the ignore function came back) I don't understand. That is genuinely weird.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
So? You don't have to like the guy, just back him up when he complains and the other guy tries to shout him down rather than apologise or acknowledge fault. Hell I'm no fan of Diane Abbott but if someone randomly called her a useless black tosser I'd still call them on it.
Oh aye, you got any reasoning for that beyond "I don't think"? Why not call him a useless Northern tosser, or do the classic old man retort of calling him a useless whelp or whatever? Fact is his accent is Newcastle, not Islamabad, referencing Pakistan in his case is about as logical as calling me Scottish because I've got ginger hair. The only realistic way to use it is if you're actively aiming to wind him up with a racial reference.
Dunno if you were around in 2005, the Tolling Gang was a shortlived breakaway from Urban led by Butchersapron and a few others. Ball not man was a popular way at the time to remind people to stick to the topic rather than indulging in personal abuse.
.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
It wasn't me, it was his 'other' friend who referred to him as "Pakistani" (see above).
I referred to his ethnicity in the same phrase the Gov does in census and other literature - and for a specifc, explanatory purpose, and using exactly the same term by which that community describes itself, Mr Ethnic Scot.
I referred to his ethnicity in the same phrase the Gov does in census and other literature - and for a specifc, explanatory purpose, and using exactly the same term by which that community describes itself, Mr Ethnic Scot.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Ooooh right well that's okay then, you put the word "ethnic" in there like teh governments, makes all the difference I'm sure. The problem is not what fig-leaf word you add on the end but that you went there at all, as you're well aware (otherwise you'd not have thought about using fig-leaf phraseology in the first place).
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Which takes us right back to his original offensive 'ism'.
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
Everyone fucking jumps all over you. They don't care Michael Carrick's just 19. When he gave the ball away the other week there was 20000 people cunting him off. He give a bad ball and they are all fucking "weeerrrr".
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
You'll notice I haven't at any point said Refused was right to have a go at you for being old. Personally it's not something I use because I've seen how hard it can be to fine work etc.
But an arsey comment about age which anyone can retort to (old man/young whelp/balding middle-age geezer) is known and accepted banter. Racially-charged epithets playing into an "I'm native white, you're not" idea which has followed refused and everyone in his family around in a variety of guises for their whole lives is not. And you know that.
You could have replied by telling him to wind his neck in but you didn't. And rather than admit you said something shitty you've blustered on for five pages trying to convince people you slung a race line at him for his own good. Which is why fridgemagnet's gentle nudge clearly isn't enough.
But an arsey comment about age which anyone can retort to (old man/young whelp/balding middle-age geezer) is known and accepted banter. Racially-charged epithets playing into an "I'm native white, you're not" idea which has followed refused and everyone in his family around in a variety of guises for their whole lives is not. And you know that.
You could have replied by telling him to wind his neck in but you didn't. And rather than admit you said something shitty you've blustered on for five pages trying to convince people you slung a race line at him for his own good. Which is why fridgemagnet's gentle nudge clearly isn't enough.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Now you're his apologist, plus we've had some soft-focus family history, and I've been advised by the same nice young man how to relate to other young men. Marvellous.
That's lunch over for me. Bye young people!
That's lunch over for me. Bye young people!
chieftain
Mega Gammon
Now I can deal with your throw away Ageist comment in one of two ways.
1. Get understandably upset and watch my friends make an issue out if it.
2. See it as it was intended: as an illustration of point and get on with life...
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
I'm terribly sorry I didn't realise you were the upset-limit police, tell me officer are you going to put five points on his license for not shrugging it off this time? It's telling you've not even tried to challenge my overall logic, just appropriated LC's broken attempt to show that calling someone old is basically the same thing as having a go at their race.
kained&able
Here for the football.
ffs sake can we not move on. As much as i like seeing lc getting roasted this is the football forum and slightly different rules have always applied.
yes, he was out of order. But he isn't going to apoligise as he and refused have been winding each other up for years on here.
Can we not get back to posting funny pictures of the spurs manager getting buggered in the showers and other such joys?
dave
yes, he was out of order. But he isn't going to apoligise as he and refused have been winding each other up for years on here.
Can we not get back to posting funny pictures of the spurs manager getting buggered in the showers and other such joys?
dave
kained&able
Here for the football.
yes, harry. You also look like you have no neck for some reason.
kained&able
Here for the football.
kained&able
Here for the football.
This is my thread tommers, don't tell me what to do!
feel free to repost em though obviously.
I like to scatter gun.
feel free to repost em though obviously.
I like to scatter gun.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Aaah, just a bit of racism is ok, it is football after all....
kained&able
Here for the football.
Corax
Luke 5:16
There was no racism FFS. Certainly not "flagrant and venomous".
There was an ill-judged comment, designed to draw a parallel about the unacceptability of discrimination. It deserves an apology IMO, because the parallel was a bit crass and ignored the difference in scale and history of the two "isms". That's a decision for LC to make not me though.
But it was bad judgement and insensitivity rather than bigotry, and blowing it out of all proportion does no one any favours.
There was an ill-judged comment, designed to draw a parallel about the unacceptability of discrimination. It deserves an apology IMO, because the parallel was a bit crass and ignored the difference in scale and history of the two "isms". That's a decision for LC to make not me though.
But it was bad judgement and insensitivity rather than bigotry, and blowing it out of all proportion does no one any favours.
