Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

[ViolentPanda]

They keep re-hashing this one. Still, easier to concentrate on stuff like this than their own class/capital interests.

The Barclay brothers do have an interest in the Littlewoods mail-order company, so maybe they're trying to stimulate some sort of buying stampede on electricals?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I had A "Free Tibet" T-shirt one time, I wonder how they feel about the convoys of Chinese people immigrating to their country. Britain seems to be the only country that has a anti-nationalism police force but every culture, religion and race the comes to Britain is an nationalistic to their own country to the most incredible extent. Because we don't really mix with other communities, don't get me wrong the intelligent people do, there are good honourable people everywhere but there is another strata, a dumber powerbase interested in control and furthering their own interests.

I love British culture, I feel we importing people who don't know what British culture is and are bringing their own backward, prejudiced and nationalistic interests to this country for their own gain.

There is no "British" culture, just like there's no "preserved in amber" national culture anywhere. If you understood what a culture actually is - which you clearly don't - you'd know this. Instead you trot out the same line that racists have been shitting out of their ignorant arses for a century. Nonsense about British culture.
British culture is what the people in Britain make it, what it isn't, is a fixed set of values.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So it's not just foreigners you don't like but also 'dumb' Brits.

So he's into self-loathing, then?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

So he's into self-loathing, then?

I think that he probably enjoys such a profound level of 'not getting it', that he is effectively protected from any conscious self-loathing.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[gosub]

I've had several arguments about this, I don't think there is a defined British Culture, so how it can be defended or attacked is beyond me. Usually the 'defenders' of British Culture talk about Justice, democracy, a sense of fair play, and then come over all John Major and talk about warm beer and cricket on village greens

That John Major thing,to me, was an attempt at common thread with George Orwell's "England Your England" which is an amazing essay (actually most of them lumped together in Inside a Whale would make better GCSE fare than Animal Farm). Think it weathered better than Blair's "Cool Britannia" that jeered at it.

 

[newbie]

It's a good article, makes you wonder whether the UK agricultural market would collapse in that area as its business model ( in many ways responding to the supermakets business model) seems entirely unsustainable without the sort of cheap and no rights labour that a migrant workforce supplies. Of course the alternative is self organisation of labour to demand proper wages and conditions.

if only....

in the absence of such self-organisation those being exploited have to rely on the authorities, who are inevitably reactive and therefore slow. But two key players, Ivars Mezals and Juris Valujevs were both jailed after their first trial and are (I think) still awaiting sentencing after being found guilty, along with Vankova and Valujeva, last December and in March. It's not obvious why the article didn't make that clear.

 

[Greebozz]

The way I see it, is that a lot of people here were involved in the noble struggle against racism in the 80s. Great job the National Front were a bunch of wankers. This noble movement has morphed into an identity in which it is vital to show you are not a racist. One supports unlimited immigration to demonstrate to one's peer group one isn't a racist.

The people that object to unlimited uncontrolled immigration are deemed as being racist, hence they are to be attacked and denounce as vile racists.

As Violent Panda said British culture comes from the people that are in Britain. What if the people coming to Britain have alien values, fanatical religions they despise the West. Or are from rather backward Eastern European countries whose populations never grew up in a multicultural situation and are highly racist. Cultures that are to the nationalistic in themselves and wish to make Britain exactly like the terrible place that they came from.

PS It amazes me that people can't see the irony of being incredibly violent and hostile towards me to show me that it's wrong to be hostile to foreign cultures and attitudes.

 

[YouSir]

The way I see it, is that a lot of people here were involved in the noble struggle against racism in the 80s. Great job the National Front were a bunch of wankers. This noble movement has morphed into an identity in which it is vital to show you are not a racist. One supports unlimited immigration to demonstrate to one's peer group one isn't a racist.

The people that object to unlimited uncontrolled immigration are deemed as being racist, hence they are to be attacked and denounce as vile racists.

As Violent Panda said British culture comes from the people that are in Britain. What if the people coming to Britain have alien values, fanatical religions they despise the West. Or are from rather backward Eastern European countries whose populations never grew up in a multicultural situation and are highly racist. Cultures that are to the nationalistic in themselves and wish to make Britain exactly like the terrible place that they came from.

PS It amazes me that people can't see the irony of being incredibly violent and hostile towards me to show me that it's wrong to be hostile to foreign cultures and attitudes.

You're an individual, being judged on your personal merits off the back of direct interactions with you. While you're judging vast swathes of people as a bloc for being foreign, or not sharing your religion (or lack of). Simple really, that's why abusing you is fine but abusing millions of people for being backward, or stupid, or 'alien' isn't.

 

[YouSir]

The way I see it, is that a lot of people here were involved in the noble struggle against racism in the 80s. Great job the National Front were a bunch of wankers. This noble movement has morphed into an identity in which it is vital to show you are not a racist. One supports unlimited immigration to demonstrate to one's peer group one isn't a racist.

The people that object to unlimited uncontrolled immigration are deemed as being racist, hence they are to be attacked and denounce as vile racists.

As Violent Panda said British culture comes from the people that are in Britain. What if the people coming to Britain have alien values, fanatical religions they despise the West. Or are from rather backward Eastern European countries whose populations never grew up in a multicultural situation and are highly racist. Cultures that are to the nationalistic in themselves and wish to make Britain exactly like the terrible place that they came from.

PS It amazes me that people can't see the irony of being incredibly violent and hostile towards me to show me that it's wrong to be hostile to foreign cultures and attitudes.

Also, as a side note, this country is already being run by people with values alien to my own, who appear to hate (or at best disregard) me and mine and whose extreme ideology is being imposed on me with massive damage and under threat of force and propogandistic corruption. On the plus side though there may be those amongst those hordes of 'backward' foreigners who'll help me deal with them.

 

[Greebozz]

Please God will someone tell me why I shouldn't be bothered about immigration? Why would anyone already living here want increased competition for jobs, accommodation, school places, health treatment? And in terms of the EU why would anyone want to give sovereignty to another country?

 

[nino_savatte]

Please God will someone tell me why I shouldn't be bothered about immigration? Why would anyone already living here want increased competition for jobs, accommodation, school places, health treatment? And in terms of the EU why would anyone want to give sovereignty to another country?

How utterly pathetic. Your God won't help you, buddy. You're fucked.

 

[Dogsauce]

The people that object to unlimited uncontrolled immigration are deemed as being racist, hence they are to be attacked and denounce as vile racists.

Nope, just denounced as thick fuckers because we don't have 'unlimited uncontrolled immigration' and never have.

 

[Greebozz]

I'm going to accept the arguments of those that have disagreed with me. It's quite a happy viewpoint because it means there's nothing to worry about. If no one actually agrees with the concerns I've raised, then I'm probably wrong. Thanks for putting me straight on this matter, as far far as I'm concerned the subject is dealt with within myself. On Faith I'm going to say everything will be fine, done finished.

 

[nino_savatte]

I'm going to accept the arguments of those that have disagreed with me.

That's awfully big of you.

 

[stethoscope]

That's awfully big of you.

They're very generous these people aren't they? Like LeslieB/Oswaldthistle accepting black and asian people can have the vote and stuff.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Please God will someone tell me why I shouldn't be bothered about immigration? Why would anyone already living here want increased competition for jobs, accommodation, school places, health treatment? And in terms of the EU why would anyone want to give sovereignty to another country?

You can be bothered about immigration without making racist assumptions regarding 'fanatics' and the 'backward'.

Just as you can be bothered about the provision of health care, housing and education without blaming foreigners...be they 'fanatical', 'backward' or even both.

Your finger pointing and name calling simultaneously manage not to address the real problems and demonise those not to blame; that's what makes them drivel and racist.

Louis MacNeice

 

[nino_savatte]

They're very generous these people aren't they? Like LeslieB/Oswaldthistle accepting black and asian people can have the vote and stuff.

Innit. I should get down on my hands and knees and show my gratitude to the pair of them.

How has Greebozz managed to last so long without a permaban?

 

[frogwoman]

The people that object to unlimited uncontrolled immigration are deemed as being racist, hence they are to be attacked and denounce as vile racists.

As Violent Panda said British culture comes from the people that are in Britain. What if the people coming to Britain have alien values, fanatical religions they despise the West. Or are from rather backward Eastern European countries whose populations never grew up in a multicultural situation and are highly racist. Cultures that are to the nationalistic in themselves and wish to make Britain exactly like the terrible place that they came from.

.

 

[ruffneck23]

Boris Johnson just threatened ITV


twat boy showing his true colours once again

 

[Greebozz]

I found it very humiliating experience being insulted, mocked and ridiculed. It's quite a good way to keep one's ego in check, it's like no one agrees with you, you're a bad person and you're wrong, and we all hate you. I'm definitely not cut out for this forum it's akin to a sort of self harm. The concerns I've raised haven't received any agreement by anyone and have been shot down, as I've said I'm going to have to take it that I'm wrong in my opinions and let the topic go and choose to say it will all be fine.

 

[ruffneck23]

what do really expect when you spout xenophobic racist shit ?

If you cant take the heat then run away

 

[DotCommunist]

its such a shame the internet has been sanitised by the PC Brigade and theres literally nowhere on it where ones xenophobic opinions can be aired.

 

[weltweit]

I found it very humiliating experience being insulted, mocked and ridiculed. It's quite a good way to keep one's ego in check, it's like no one agrees with you, you're a bad person and you're wrong, and we all hate you. I'm definitely not cut out for this forum it's akin to a sort of self harm. The concerns I've raised haven't received any agreement by anyone and have been shot down, as I've said I'm going to have to take it that I'm wrong in my opinions and let the topic go and choose to say it will all be fine.

A lot of it is because of the specific words you used.

It is possible to be concerned about the implications of unfettered inward EU immigration, without being racist, and possible to be concerned about "multiculturalism" as well without being the full Enoch Powell.

 

[brogdale]

I found it very humiliating experience being insulted, mocked and ridiculed.

Member since 2005 and you still come out with shite like that?

 

[ruffneck23]

its such a shame the internet has been sanitised by the PC Brigade and theres literally nowhere on it where ones xenophobic opinions can be aired.

UKIP Forum (The United Kingdom Independence Party) • /r/ukipparty

 

[ViolentPanda]

The way I see it, is that a lot of people here were involved in the noble struggle against racism in the 80s. Great job the National Front were a bunch of wankers. This noble movement has morphed into an identity in which it is vital to show you are not a racist. One supports unlimited immigration to demonstrate to one's peer group one isn't a racist.

Oh dear. Look who's been reading Shitcunt.

Here's the thing: EVERYONE is racist. The difference between you and I is that I abhor racism, and suppress any urge to fall back on racist sentiment. I do this NOT because it's "politically-correct" or "trendy", but because I realise it to be irrational and wrong.

The people that object to unlimited uncontrolled immigration are deemed as being racist, hence they are to be attacked and denounce as vile racists.

No.
People who demonstrate - as you have through your own words, however much you fart on about "unlimited uncontrolled immigration" in order to excuse yourself, that they're racist, theyshould be "attacked and denounced as vile racists". it's merely calling something by its proper name.

As Violent Panda said British culture comes from the people that are in Britain. What if the people coming to Britain have alien values, fanatical religions they despise the West.

Almost a thousand years ago, a set of immigrants with alien values and religious fanaticism came to Britain. They were called "The Normans". However hard they struggled to retain cultural hegemony and separateness, the same thing happened to them as to all settler cultures: Their culture was absorbed, hybridised and otherwise subordinated to the wider culture.
Learn some history, and even a bit of culture theory. That way you might stop embarrassing yourself.

Or are from rather backward Eastern European countries whose populations never grew up in a multicultural situation and are highly racist.

Fucking hell. I thought your previous sentence was ignorant, but this one...it doesn't just take the biscuit, it takes the whole packet!

There are NO "Eastern European" countries whose populations are mono-cultural. Every single one of them is a hodge-podge of different ethnicities and religious observances. Racism in such states is usually "othering" based on skin colour, not because of mono-culturalism, and where those antipathies are not based on skin-colour, they're usually based on the same schema as anti-Semitism - opportunistic scapegoating by the ruling class to distract their own people from noticing that the state is kebabing them.

Cultures that are to the nationalistic in themselves and wish to make Britain exactly like the terrible place that they came from.

PS It amazes me that people can't see the irony of being incredibly violent and hostile towards me to show me that it's wrong to be hostile to foreign cultures and attitudes.

Nobody has been "incredibly violent" to you, you puling milquetoast.

 

[gosub]

Please God will someone tell me why I shouldn't be bothered about immigration? Why would anyone already living here want increased competition for jobs, accommodation, school places, health treatment? And in terms of the EU why would anyone want to give sovereignty to another country?

You rate these concerns higher than keeping the interest on your debts manageable or losing your job? If yes, you think that's the norm?

 

[kabbes]

I found it very humiliating experience being insulted, mocked and ridiculed.

So it's ok for you to say deeply hurtful and unpleasant things about other people -- real people who will be reading your words -- but it's not okay for others to respond in kind?

 

[marty21]

Boris Johnson just threatened ITV


twat boy showing his true colours once again

It is hilarious that the out campaigners are splitters - Leave v grass roots - I presume Farage didn't want to play second fiddle to Bojo so didn't get involved with the official campaign, preferring his group to play 2nd fiddle to Bojo

 

[DotCommunist]

It is hilarious that the out campaigners are splitters - Leave v grass roots - I presume Farage didn't want to play second fiddle to Bojo so didn't get involved with the official campaign, preferring his group to play 2nd fiddle to Bojo

Grassroots go are the web handed outies and the other lot are the ones who don't want to look mental or wear those fuck ugly ties