Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

[gosub]

I think the referendum now, for many people, rightly or wrongly, has become a referendum on the status quo. Doesn't really matter about the details anymore, lets give these cunts a kicking. Osborne's intervention this morning further assures this.

'Fortunately' Mr Geldoff distracted attention from it with his loadsamoney impression.

 

[chilango]

I'm no longer confident in my earlier 65ish% Remain 35%ish Leave prediction.


I do still think Remain will win, but it might be close.

 

[belboid]

Has there ever been a political campaign in modern British history that has been quite as tone deaf as Remain?

Better Together

 

[mather]

Better Together

From what I can remember of the Scottish referendum, I would say the current EU referendum is worse.

 

[J Ed]

From what I can remember of the Scottish referendum, I would say the current EU referendum is worse.

It was definitely more effective

 

[Combustible]

It was definitely more effective

In both cases, the only weapon that seems to have any impact is "project fear". And I think it's less effective this time around, one reason may be that leaving the EU seems a lot less drastic to many people than the breaking apart of the UK.

 

[Coolfonz]

Brexit is the only way the working class can change anything | Lisa Mckenzie

It's not an especially good piece, but at least she's on the right side

Pretty shameful piece tbh. Sad. The financial crisis destroyed wages, not immigration. Really economically illiterate, sad to see this from the left, whichever bits she says she represents, no critique of the long term failings of the economic system, just repeating nationalist nonsense about wages/immigration.

Both the nationalists and the neo-liberals were wedded to their economic system, but when it - when the private sector - collapsed in 2008/09 it ends some years later with left wingers blaming immigrants, not the crisis, for wage declines. Very sad. And very worrying for the next recession, who will be blamed then?

 

[weltweit]

Gove is on BBC1 QT special atm, everything will be rosy if we leave [vomit]..

 

[treelover]

M

Pretty shameful piece tbh. Sad. The financial crisis destroyed wages, not immigration. Really economically illiterate, sad to see this from the left, whichever bits she says she represents, no critique of the long term failings of the economic system, just repeating nationalist nonsense about wages/immigration.

Both the nationalists and the neo-liberals were wedded to their economic system, but when it - when the private sector - collapsed in 2008/09 it ends some years later with left wingers blaming immigrants, not the crisis, for wage declines. Very sad. And very worrying for the next recession, who will be blamed then?

Maybe if the left had done more when the crash happened there wouldn't have been this turn, one anti-austerity demo every other year, etc, if indeed it is a turn, and challenging open borders is not right wing.

 

[treelover]

Can see what she means...

Brexshit

Yawnarama, there is fish in the shops who the frig cares who obtains it

Comment from Brexshit posted elsewhere, with allies like this....

 

[goldenecitrone]

I think the referendum now, for many people, rightly or wrongly, has become a referendum on the status quo. Doesn't really matter about the details anymore, lets give these cunts a kicking. Osborne's intervention this morning further assures this.

Just a shame that they didn't vote to give the cunts a kicking in the last general election when it really mattered.

 

[DotCommunist]

Has there ever been a political campaign in modern British history that has been quite as tone deaf as Remain?

yes. Scottish labour. They won the battle but lost the war.

 

[two sheds]

Brexit. Shite arguments from Farage and Johnson and the like.

 

[DotCommunist]

some cunt whose spent nine years in student politics backed up by a man who looks like the picture dictionary definition of the bank manager who refused you a loan. A winning combo

 

[treelover]

Some food for thought, it is a comment (not mine) from another fb page: 'Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

From FB, if this is the case, its pretty shocking, of course, they haven't mentioned what has come to the UK.

 

[J Ed]

Just been having a read of some discussions amongst Izquierda Unida and Podemos supporters about Brexit, pretty interesting. Podemos' official position is pro-EU and the Spanish Communist Party (which makes up IU alongside the Green Party) is in favour of leaving the EU and the euro. However, if these discussions are at all representative their supporters seem pretty buoyed by the prospect of Brexit for a few different reasons. Some are enthusiastic about it because it would reduce the number of right-wingers in the European parliament but more seem to be in favour because it would open up space for an eventual Spanish exit from the EU and the euro

 

[Pickman's model]

From FB, if this is the case, its pretty shocking, of course, they haven't mentioned what has come to the UK.

Have you checked to see if it's true?

e2a: on second thoughts don't bother replying, it's plain the answer's "no"

 

[mather]

It was definitely more effective

Of course, they won that one after all.

However it is this referendum on the EU which has seen an upsurge in anti-working class hatred from many within the Remain camp. The actions of that cunt Bob Geldof are just one example out of many.

Besides the possibility of us leaving the EU, if any good is to come out of this referendum it is that we have seen just who our allies are and it is not the liberals and their soft-left fellow travellers.

 

[2hats]

From FB,...

The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations.

What Chinese steel is that and where has it failed "catastrophically"?

 

[hot air baboon]

We've just had that and it's not a very good article anyway.

Call me a liar, an idiot or a wrong ’un if you like, but I’m still voting leave | Giles Fraser

...neither's this particularly...although Fraser is arguing for Brexit because he's in favour of ( more ) open borders...

 

[hot air baboon]

 

[J Ed]

Of course, they won that one after all.

However it is this referendum on the EU which has seen an upsurge in anti-working class hatred from many within the Remain camp. The actions of that cunt Bob Geldof are just one example out of many.

I think that this is right. They are just enjoying punching down too much to stop even if they realise that it is doing their side no good.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Didn't know bg was a billionaire

He's not worth anything like that, twenty or thirty million, which isn't to be sniffed at, but not close to a billionaire.

 

[treelover]

He owns Ten Alps, etc

 

[treelover]

I'm a cautious remainer but its becoming clear that brexit for many poor working class people is a big FU to the comfortably off and a cry for help, sneering at them like many of the liberal left have done is counterproductive.

 

[treelover]

British people should get on and do the jobs then. Migrant workers do the jobs that British people don't want to do - like cleaning, catering, caring, and farm work, and they are usually better qualified than is needed. If British people are genuinely concerned about a lack of jobs then they should get off their high horses and demand decent pay for menial jobs, and do them. No one's stopping you!

The authentic voice of the liberal left? on JC4PM FB site.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

He owns Ten Alps, etc

Ten Alps currently has a market cap of £4.4m, and BG doesn't own all the shares.

 

[mather]

I think that this is right. They are just enjoying punching down too much to stop even if they realise that it is doing their side no good.

I'm of the opinion that they no longer really care. Many people have commented that this referendum has turned into something more than just a question of our membership of the EU. I tend to agree with this viewpoint and I suspect that the liberals and their fellow travellers have used this referendum as an opportunity to come out into the open with what I knew all along, that when the chips are down liberals will always side with the establishment and capital, especially its most dominant and globally minded factions.

 

[J Ed]

The authentic voice of the liberal left? on JC4PM FB site.

What do you mean by that? The JC4PM account has come out with some weird stuff before but surely you mean it is someone commenting on it rather than the actual account making that sort of bigoted statement?

 

[treelover]

The crumbling of the remain vote shows how hollowed out Labour has become
Being called a racist scumbag won’t persuade me – or the victims of globalisation – to vote remain. The total disconnect between the bourgeoisie and voters on the doorstep reveals a crisis for left
Suzanne Moore

The crumbling of the remain vote shows how hollowed out Labour has become | Suzanne Moore