The Urban 6 Nations 2018 Thread

[Teaboy]

Couldn't agree more. Rain = slugfest and certain England victory. In other news, fuck off, Eddie

Shackle draggers can't help themselves. The only surprise is that Gatland hasn't chirped in with something equally enlightening. I'm glad the article mentions the Farrell incident as that was the first thing that went through my mind as I started reading it.

 

[1927]

Couldn't agree more. Rain = slugfest and certain England victory. In other news, fuck off, Eddie

Dawson and Healey in particular made complaining to the ref into an art form. AWJ isn’t in the same league!

 

[bendeus]

Dawson and Healey in particular made complaining to the ref into an art form. AWJ isn’t in the same league!

Sexton is now the anointed one on that front

 

[bendeus]

Shackle draggers can't help themselves. The only surprise is that Gatland hasn't chirped in with something equally enlightening. I'm glad the article mentions the Farrell incident as that was the first thing that went through my mind as I started reading it.

Gatland's comments this week have been very restrained by his usual, setting-the-bar-low standards.

Perhaps he has learned that being an annoying gobshite just makes you look like an annoying gobshite rather than a genius of rugby psyops

 

[bendeus]

Ex ref, Jonathan Kaplan's take on Jones' gobblin off is very good (from the Torygraph) :

"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"

 

[Grandma Death]

Gatland's comments this week have been very restrained by his usual, setting-the-bar-low standards.

Perhaps he has learned that being an annoying gobshite just makes you look like an annoying gobshite rather than a genius of rugby psyops

I thought his comments on the next lions tour and eddie jones were very tongue in cheek

 

[Grandma Death]

Eddie Jones is a twat. Whats with him and his opinions on No 10s. I think Jones underneath it all is a bit rattled. On paper England will win-but he's concerned. And I would like to see that smug little round faced cunt for once be silenced. It gave me great pleasure when he was halted in his tracks by Ireland. Same again tomorrow please

 

[Teaboy]

Eddie Jones is a twat. Whats with him and his opinions on No 10s. I think Jones underneath it all is a bit rattled. On paper England will win-but he's concerned. And I would like to see that smug little round faced cunt for once be silenced. It gave me great pleasure when he was halted in his tracks by Ireland. Same again tomorrow please

Meh, he's just picking fights. I've played cricket with and against enough aussies to know how this works. Get bored and pick a fight - Ferguson did it, Mourinho does it. It means nothing. Gatland can see him coming a mile off which is why he is ignoring him.

Make it all about the opposition or about himself and get them thinking about that instead of the deficiencies in England's team. I doubt it'll work but he's giving it a go as some of the Welsh team are very green at this level.

 

[The Octagon]

Yeah, he's just on a wind up, I'd rather he didn't, but reacting to it doesn't help either.

Poking Wales seems unwise when, on paper, we should have enough on Saturday, especially if the weather turns.

I can see a few yellows in the match, and maybe worse.

 

[Grandma Death]

Meh, he's just picking fights. I've played cricket with and against enough aussies to know how this works. Get bored and pick a fight - Ferguson did it, Mourinho does it. It means nothing. Gatland can see him coming a mile off which is why he is ignoring him.

Make it all about the opposition or about himself and get them thinking about that instead of the deficiencies in England's team. I doubt it'll work but he's giving it a go as some of the Welsh team are very green at this level.

TBH I dont give a shit why hes doing it. I thought Gatland was a twat when he was doing it and I think Eddies a twat doing it.

 

[Teaboy]

He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that lies awake at night worrying what people think of him. Its all bullshit anyway, if Patchell catches a cold on Saturday for whatever reason the press will make it all about the mind games but it won't be, but that's how you build mystique as a coach.

Instead of mouthing off I just wish he'd find us a genuine number 7 to actually put some pressure on Patchell on the pitch rather than off it. Robshaw is a reliable pro but the ball will be in the hands of the Welsh back 3 before he even enters the same postal district as Patchell.

 

[gosub]

He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that lies awake at night worrying what people think of him. Its all bullshit anyway, if Patchell catches a cold on Saturday for whatever reason the press will make it all about the mind games but it won't be, but that's how you build mystique as a coach.

Instead of mouthing off I just wish he'd find us a genuine number 7 to actually put some pressure on Patchell on the pitch rather than off it. Robshaw is a reliable pro but the ball will be in the hands of the Welsh back 3 before he even enters the same postal district as Patchell.

Robshaw reliable pro.... If he'd spent less time doing telly adverts you might have got further in the World Cup

 

[Grandma Death]

Robshaw reliable pro.... If he'd spent less time doing telly adverts you might have got further in the World Cup

and who can ever forget this piss take

 

[Grandma Death]

Win or lose tomorrow....there'll never be a video like this made about the welsh. You know why? Because however you look at it, no matter how good England are/were....there'll NEVER ever be a moment like this so humiliating in rugby, than the sight of a host nation...being dumped out of their own world cup in front of a home crowd. And just like some English fans dine out of their world cup win...I'll never stop dining out on this humiliation.

 

[Teaboy]

Win or lose tomorrow....there'll never be a video like this made about the welsh. You know why? Because however you look at it, no matter how good England are/were....there'll NEVER ever be a moment like this so humiliating in rugby, than the sight of a host nation...being dumped out of their own world cup in front of a home crowd. And just like some English fans dine out of their world cup win...I'll never stop dining out on this humiliation.

I'd swap that every day for winning a World Cup and so would you. Aim higher, stop thinking of yourself in relation to England. This is why you always get bummed by average SH sides because you're obsessing about the unimportant. Most English fans are far more concerned about NZ and Oz.

Good luck to you tomorrow. If you win it'll be well earned.

 

[The Octagon]

Win or lose tomorrow....there'll never be a video like this made about the welsh. You know why? Because however you look at it, no matter how good England are/were....there'll NEVER ever be a moment like this so humiliating in rugby, than the sight of a host nation...being dumped out of their own world cup in front of a home crowd. And just like some English fans dine out of their world cup win...I'll never stop dining out on this humiliation.

Oh boy(o)

Remind me where the 1999 World Cup was held again?

23 October 1999
15:00 WEST/GMT+1 (UTC+01)
Wales

9–24

Australia
Pen: Jenkins (3)
Report Try: Gregan (2)
Tune
Con: Burke (3)
Pen: Burke
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Attendance: 72,000
Referee: Colin Hawke (New Zealand)

Lol

 

[Grandma Death]

Oh boy(o)

Remind me where the 1999 World Cup was held again?



Lol

Guess you missed the part about host nation?

Oh boy(o)

Remind me where the 1999 World Cup was held again?



Lol

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We werent knocked out of the pool stages mate

 

[bendeus]

I'd swap that every day for winning a World Cup and so would you. Aim higher, stop thinking of yourself in relation to England. This is why you always get bummed by average SH sides because you're obsessing about the unimportant. Most English fans are far more concerned about NZ and Oz.

Good luck to you tomorrow. If you win it'll be well earned.

I agree with this. While there's always an extra frisson of excitement about playing and especially beating England I'd much rather be competitive with the SH than obsess about one game per year. Kinda bored of grand slams now as we've won so many over the last decade or so. Give me regular wins over Aus and SA and the odd one over NZ any day. We're too bloody parochial.

 

[The Octagon]

Guess you missed the part about host nation?



Edit


We werent knocked out of the pool stages mate

Then you should have included that caveat, cariad

 

[Grandma Death]

I agree with this. While there's always an extra frisson of excitement about playing and especially beating England I'd much rather be competitive with the SH than obsess about one game per year. Kinda bored of grand slams now as we've won so many over the last decade or so. Give me regular wins over Aus and SA and the odd one over NZ any day. We're too bloody parochial.

Two aren't mutually exclusive. I'd love for Wales to have a good consistent record against the sh sides. But equally I'll take champions of the nh and beating England not far behind.

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[gosub]

Win or lose tomorrow....there'll never be a video like this made about the welsh. You know why? Because however you look at it, no matter how good England are/were....there'll NEVER ever be a moment like this so humiliating in rugby, than the sight of a host nation...being dumped out of their own world cup in front of a home crowd. And just like some English fans dine out of their world cup win...I'll never stop dining out on this humiliation.

I disagree.


England Captain... At Twickenham... Asking a ref how to play the game.

League of its own

 

[Grandma Death]

Then you should have included that caveat, cariad

Well when I said the only team I thought that caveat was obvious

England remain the only team in rwc history to be a host nation knocked out of the pool stages.

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[Grandma Death]

I disagree.


England Captain... At Twickenham... Asking a ref how to play the game.

League of its own

Yeah... Forgot that ha ha

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[Grandma Death]

I'd swap that every day for winning a World Cup and so would you. Aim higher, stop thinking of yourself in relation to England. This is why you always get bummed by average SH sides because you're obsessing about the unimportant. Most English fans are far more concerned about NZ and Oz.

Good luck to you tomorrow. If you win it'll be well earned.

No we aren't losing against the sh sides because we're 'obsessing' about the unimportant. We're losing against them because we simply aren't good enough for a multitude of reasons

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[Grandma Death]

I agree with this. While there's always an extra frisson of excitement about playing and especially beating England I'd much rather be competitive with the SH than obsess about one game per year. Kinda bored of grand slams now as we've won so many over the last decade or so. Give me regular wins over Aus and SA and the odd one over NZ any day. We're too bloody parochial.

We actually haven't won that many. Two in last decade. Anyway. How can you be bored of being champions of the nh?

Sound like my mate who is a ccfc supporter. He said to me after one season in the Premier league that he was finding it boring anyway. Ha ha

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[Teaboy]

No we aren't losing against the sh sides because we're 'obsessing' about the unimportant. We're losing against them because we simply aren't good enough for a multitude of reasons

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No it's definitely an attitude problem. That Oz side that turned up in Autumn were very ordinary and got easily dispatched by other NH sides. SA are in a total mess at the moment. These sides are very beatable and Wales should be beating them, you're treading very close to being the personification of the problem. You don't believe you can win against SH sides.

Last year Wales were a shit kick away from beating England, the same England side that went down to Oz and did them 3-0 in their own back yard. Tell me again why you aren't good enough?

 

[Teaboy]

Fuck me this is getting like counseling.

Wales are a very good team, can they match NZ yet? Probably not but no one can bar the Lions it would seem. But Wales should absolutely be matching and competing against every other side. Winning away is tough so tomorrow is a big ask but I bet they give it a damn good go.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

Fuck me this is getting like counseling.

Wales are a very good team, can they match NZ yet? Probably not but no one can bar the Lions it would seem. But Wales should absolutely be matching and competing against every other side. Winning away is tough so tomorrow is a big ask but I bet they give it a damn good go.

This. I know Wales have huge gaps in some areas in the squad but we've got some quality throughout the side. This side may not be capable of beating New Zealand, nor England tomorrow, but there's no reason why a Welsh team that hasn't been decimated by injury, with a squad picked on form, and a coach who isn't on a sabbatical with the Lions, can't beat any other of the elite teams.

I'm sick of hearing the same old excuses every autumn, we have to have more belief and get past this inferiority complex.

 

[bendeus]

We actually haven't won that many. Two in last decade. Anyway. How can you be bored of being champions of the nh?

Sound like my mate who is a ccfc supporter. He said to me after one season in the Premier league that he was finding it boring anyway. Ha ha

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I may have been a little tongue in cheek when I talked about being bored of 'slams, my ditch dwelling compadre

 

[bendeus]

This. I know Wales have huge gaps in some areas in the squad but we've got some quality throughout the side. This side may not be capable of beating New Zealand, nor England tomorrow, but there's no reason why a Welsh team that hasn't been decimated by injury, with a squad picked on form, and a coach who isn't on a sabbatical with the Lions, can't beat any other of the elite teams.

I'm sick of hearing the same old excuses every autumn, we have to have more belief get past this inferiority complex.

This. In spades.