The reign of Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson - Predictions?

[HoratioCuthbert]

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[Poi E]

Although well done for getting through a post without making a pointless observation about England supposedly being shit and Scotland being amazing

Put your drink down.

My point was the UK will be an even more private society than the US. And will have no entrenched constitutional rights. And no state or local government with real powers like the US.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

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[HoratioCuthbert]

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[Poi E]

Will it? Is it a done deal then?

Not following. Yes, we will Brexit. Yes, the final fire sale of assets in the UK will happen (esp remaining public land).

 

[redsquirrel]

As the voting public have turned out to be turkeys i predict Singapore on the Thames in ten years (because he’ll be re-elected). Broadly we’ve taken the fork in the path towards the US model and away from Europe.

What's the path Canada has chosen take in your view then?

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And what BA said about the "fascism' nonsense. For god's sake you an recognise that Johnson is scum, that he makes racists comments without going down a ludicrous path that makes the Conservative Party semi-fascist.

 

[Marty1]

What’s your predictions?

Possibly a load of Trump style resistance protests, looks like a few students in Glasgow have started already, ‘Hey Hey, Ho Ho’, ‘Not my President Prime Minister’ etc general stuff.

 

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First five years attempting Brexit. The outlawing of strikes by rail workers, teachers, NHS staff, postal workers and firefighters. A dismissal of all NHS manifesto promises and hoping three years into the tenure Argentina invade The Malvinas, thus ensuring another election victory.

 

[Poi E]

Only one major British institution left to play with, and that's the Army.

 

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Only one major British institution left to play with, and that's the Army.

Good point, they will be re-assigned into border protection to repel any forrin types.

 

[not a trot]

It'll all end in tears

It most likely will for those who lent their votes. Very little sympathy from me.

 

[ska invita]

Re Johnson and Fascism I've read and heard a few people talk about this in detail...Id summarise as:

Neil Faulkner has a background as a military historian and in the book Creeping Fascism sees Trump, Johnson, Orban, Bolsonaro, and the other far right parties of europe as in open alliance and although show different degrees/aspects of fascism, their mutual support makes them as bad as one another in creating the broader proto conditions of real fascism <<<my impression is for him this fear is fuelled by historical precedent which are seen as repeating, particularly with coming crises of climate change and next crash etc on the horizon. As a historian for him all the warning signs are there in bold

David Renton in New Authoritarians recognises the "convergence" between the mainstream right, the far right and fascistic leaders described above but maintains its wrong to misuse the term fascism when its not actually fascism. That said he recognises the blurring and new formations occurring, and history need not repeat itself in exactly the same forms as before, so we should be conscious of those new configurations.

Liz Fekete in Europes Fault Lines takes a simliar position to David Renton, and focuses on endless evidence of a fresh reknindling of openly racist politics in europe, making the case that neo-fascism is breeding within it.

LBJ above said "Fascism? There is a certain family resemblance" and there is

 

[Kaka Tim]

bluster and bullshit smacking into the political realities of brexit. and reality generally.
lots more grim dogwhislting populist shit around immigrants, the poor, nationalism and laura norder.
I think scottish independence will be a growing crises - they will be pushing strongly for another referendum and if support for it grows i think it could turn nasty.
The NHS will not be suddenly privatised - I think the tories will be very wary of doing anything overt in that direction as it would be politically suicidal - the labour election campaign may have actually achieved something in this regard. The stealthy shit will continue of course - but there is also huge popular pressure to fund it properly.
overall the country is very polarised and i fear it going to get grimmer and nastier and violent.

 

[redsquirrel]

Neil Faulkner has a background as a military historian and in the book Creeping Fascism sees Trump, Johnson, Orban, Bolsonaro, and the other far right parties of europe as in open alliance and although show different degrees/aspects of fascism, their mutual support makes them as bad as one another in creating the broader proto conditions of real fascism <<<my impression is for him this fear is fuelled by historical precedent which are seen as repeating, particularly with coming crises of climate change and next crash etc on the horizon. As a historian for him all the warning signs are there in bold

What are the similarities between Orban a populist, social conservative, opponent of liberalism and Johnson a liberal leader of a very old establishment party? How is Orban in alliance with Johnson? Orban wants to change the EU but still sees it as a vehicle for advancing his politics how does that contrast with the current Conservative Party?

What are the arguments Faulker is making? If you are going to claim that the idea that Johnson has a resemble to fascism then make an argument don't just cite some authors that you claim to agree with your point.

BTW Faulkner's background is as an archaeologist not a military historian. I'd also note that he someone who was a member a the SWP and Counterfire. Renton is a "former leading figure in united against fascism".

 

[Ming]

Our new PM. With a significant mandate.

 

[redsquirrel]

Our? Isn't this the PM of the country your are living in?

 

[inva]

Just to remind you again, as you seem to have forgotten, this was Johnson four days ago, about EU immigrants

Treating the UK like it's their own country for too long

This isn't dogwhistle racism. It's just racism. And the strategy has clearly worked.

I'm sure I remember Cameron coming out with similar stuff, surely it's a staple of racism here? Not fascist.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think Ming has renounced his British citizenship so Boris Johnson is still his prime minister - Canada allows dual citizenship and Britain doesn't require overseas citizens to pay British taxes so there wouldn't be much point in renouncing it anyway, especially since the fee went up to £372 last year - I wouldn't be surprised if it goes up to more than £500 by the end of 2020.

 

[philosophical]

Dementia tax.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

I think he's going to screw up and have to go. Or some skeleton will emerge from the closet of his past. So a useless buffoon will be replaced by a more competent but no less a bastard.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I think he's going to screw up and have to go. Or some skeleton will emerge from the closet of his past. So a useless buffoon will be replaced by a more competent but no less a bastard.

 

[pbsmooth]

now he's got his power, I am clinging to the idea he may try and move to the centre-right, where he and the tory heartland is more happy. a public denouncement of hard right types and some hug a burqa activities to try and get a stranglehold. keep painting labour as loony lefties.

 

[extra dry]

Maybe a chance of an assassination in Downing street?

 

[pinkmonkey]

Michael Gove?

 

[Pickman's model]

Our new PM. With a significant mandate.

I'm sure trudeau is distraught

 

[Kaka Tim]

Michael Gove?

Playing the long game. Will threaten to release the video and force johnson to resign and then slime into his shoes

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm sure I remember Cameron coming out with similar stuff, surely it's a staple of racism here? Not fascist.

It's just one element of the many I listed. Johnson basically took over Farage's playbook on that score. How much of this he will do/continue with we don't know. But currently he listens to people like Cummings and Bannon and seeks to emulate Trump. I think it's naive to deny the direction of travel that indicates.

 

[inva]

It's just one element of the many I listed. Johnson basically took over Farage's playbook on that score. How much of this he will do/continue with we don't know. But currently he listens to people like Cummings and Bannon and seeks to emulate Trump. I think it's naive to deny the direction of travel that indicates.

I don't think it's naive at all, and I think it definitely should be denied. Is the Conservative Party today markedly more racist than it has been at any time over the past century? I can't believe it is. How does the Conservative Party of Johnson compare with Cameron or Thatcher for example? Were they also heading towards fascism? I hope I'm not misrepresenting you, but a lot of this attitude (of travel towards fascism) seems to stem from a view of the pre-referendum UK that I just don't recognise at all.

 

[Ming]

I'm sure trudeau is distraught

Nice one.

 

[maomao]

I think we're going to see a Trump style leader. Every mistake or problem will be met with insults and blame thrown at other people. It's been very successful over there and it keeps the base enthusiastically supportive. If the BBC lapdogs are on board with it it could be very successful. He's widely hated but he's not as obviously insane as Trump.