oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Phrase makes me cringe. Surely it must be alienating to so many people.
Brave of Bennett to say they were the party for everyone (or summat like that).
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Phrase makes me cringe. Surely it must be alienating to so many people.
Brave of Bennett to say they were the party for everyone (or summat like that).
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
eh?
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Again not necessarily a bad move for the people who's vote he's aiming for.
I didn't see it, but surely Cameron fucked this one up. One of the main things the Tories have going for them is that on a people don't Miliband as PM material. His not turning up let everyone get to see Miliband as a potential PM with no rivals (clearly none of the other participants are going to be PM).
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Wrong, Beaker did.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
His line to Shapps was nice; "...don't talk about Miliband being propped up by the SNP, when you rely of that irrelevant poodle Clegg.."Piers Morgan has just started talking about him.
"Irrelevant little lap dog".
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
except he got beaten by Sturgeon, who isn't going to be PM. He was the main target for everyone for the evening, taking all the punches. Can't do Cameron any harm.
stowpirate
skinflintish camera nut
Nick fears fifth columnist BLUKIP infiltration!
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
OK, not the impression I got from this thread or the bits and pieces I've seen but as I said I didn't watch it so ...
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
starting to do the rounds on tweeter.
looks like someone wasn't all that convinced by mr farrago
His hair is starting to look like Conway Twitty's.
magneze
🎧
That's not what happened though.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Miliband performed much better this time. He'd learned from last time: when talking about immigration, he was a bit UKIPy, but he mentioned he was a son of immigrants (he didn't last time). And he took his fight to Sturgeon, which he didn't last time. That said, he brought up 1979, but it fell flat. Partly because his delivery was timed badly (he has a problem with that), partly because he used the word "presaged", diffusing his meaning, and partly because the audience groaned (not sure why - it was a largely English audience. They can't be that bored of the accusation), and partly because Sturgeon's comeback - "Ed, I was 9 at the time" - was well-delivered.
So, Sturgeon didn't have it all her own way, but she still came across well, and was saying the sorts of things that a Labour leader should say. And she says it in a way I think people would hope a Labour leader would say them.
The poll for Survation suggests that Miliband and Sturgeon were closely matched, with Miliband slightly ahead. I didn't agree, I'd have said on performance that Miliband, while improved, is still a bit shaky, and misjudges his timing and his delivery at times. But I wonder if part of the judgement is that viewers know that Sturgeon won't be PM, but Miliband might. Indeed, Sturgeon was herself talking about what she could do to put Miliband in number 10.
Farage lost the studio audience (by insulting them), but won't have done himself any harm with his audience in their living rooms.
I thought Bennett had improved greatly (but from a low base), and that Wood had a less impressive evening this time.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
You think he beat Sturgeon? he certainly took punches from everyone.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
mass-debate, surely?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Ta for the summary Danny.
magneze
🎧
I thought so, others didn't. Reasonably balanced between them both I thought - definitely the two best performers. He also wasn't the main target at all, that's just wrong.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
I noticed that the trace, for what it's worth, went right up whenever Wood, Bennett or Sturgeon talked about what they actually thought/believed in, but right down again as soon as they mentioned their own parties. It's most favourable response to Moribund seemed to be when he laid into Sturgeon about the impossibility (ha ha) of Labour working with the SNP.
I can see that people might find Ed more likeable and less weird the more they see/hear from him, but it's still hard to see how anyone might have any enthusiasm for him as prime minister material. But then, Cameron's got prime minister material stamped all over his big swollen face and look where that's got us.
I can see that people might find Ed more likeable and less weird the more they see/hear from him, but it's still hard to see how anyone might have any enthusiasm for him as prime minister material. But then, Cameron's got prime minister material stamped all over his big swollen face and look where that's got us.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
That's what people miss, isn't it, when they deride his performance in this kind of situation? Just as they did when they said Nick Griffin showed himself up on Question Time. Complete misunderstanding of what Farage is trying to achieve. The more he looks like the outsider, loathed by the others on the stage, the more the kind of audience who actually attends these things applauds when another politican neatly condemns his bigoted views, the more he sounds clumsy in comparison to them, the better it'll go down with anyone who's even remotely likely to vote for him in the first place.
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