The grand tory 'civil war' thread

[Flanflinger]

I can't remember the "how" but the BBC featured one of its analysts speculating on how an early election could and might happen s couple of weeks back.

Did it involve a bloke wearing a funny hat and loads of gunpowder ?

 

[andysays]

If they did it before the boundary changes then maybe. I think an election would be in the national interest, but that comes a distant second with these fuckers

We're straying away from the point a little, but does anyone know when the boundary changes are due to be implemented?

(and yes, I'm sure I could find out for myself, but I thought I'd see first if there was anyone who already knew...)

 

[SpackleFrog]

Why is it unlikely? (Letting your other assumptions stand for the minute). Governments limp on despite the writing being on the wall all the time, the ALP survived a full term under similar pressures, the Major gov clung on for five years.

How is it going to suit 66% of MPs to go the polls early? If Labour are ahead it's not in the Tories favour and vice versa, and if it's a coin toss then why would so many MPs risk a nice salary and pension for a long shot. You talk about party infighting but how is going to a risky early election where backbenchers could easily lose their seats not going to cause more infighting.

The Major govt is an interesting comparison - Major won a bigger majority than Cameron in '92 if I remember rightly, nearly twice the size, and look what happened. And As bad as the ERM disaster was it doesn't touch what's coming as a result of the economic slowdown in China. I don't see it being very likely that we could get to 2020 without an election, at least not easily.

To be honest though, more importantly - if this Govt makes it to 2020 then we've only ourselves to blame really, it's not like a decent sized strike wave wouldn't send them packing pretty sharpish.

 

[brogdale]

Ouch...

 

[Mr.Bishie]

He's a lying cunt, that's for sure.

 

[jakethesnake]

Cameron always was a shifty looking fucker but it's really starting to show now. Every photo, every tv appearance... not long before he resigns now i think.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Line all the fuckers up against a wall.

 

[MrSki]

Hannah Pok‏@HannahPok


David Cameron would prefer if Britain went back to talking about his romantic liaison with a dead pig http://bit.ly/1MQTVBx #PanamaPapers

 

[chilango]

It was never the plan for him to still be PM. The impatience of his would be successors is really starting to show.

 

[agricola]

It was never the plan for him to still be PM. The impatience of his would be successors is really starting to show.

Not sure how true the first sentence is - Cameron was always going to serve most of this term if he won the last election. As for his successors, I think that is a combination of Osborne being both rubbish and at best tolerated in the wider party, and them all assuming that Labour will do them a favour and get rid of Corbyn, leaving the (presumably Blairite) successor hopelessly compromised when the storm hits.

 

[ruffneck23]

Unfortunately for them Corbyn seems to actually reach out for the people and that's really got them rattled , and good

 

[chilango]

Not sure how true the first sentence is - Cameron was always going to serve most of this term if he won the last election. As for his successors, I think that is a combination of Osborne being both rubbish and at best tolerated in the wider party, and them all assuming that Labour will do them a favour and get rid of Corbyn, leaving the (presumably Blairite) successor hopelessly compromised when the storm hits.

I dont think the Tories involved in the machinations at the moment planned on Cameron being PM at this stage because I think they expected to lose the last election and the surprise victory has put a bit of a spanner in the works...

 

[Mr.Bishie]

JC needs a little sharp pointy knife, pacifism aside now, just a nick.

 

[agricola]

Unfortunately for them Corbyn seems to actually reach out for the people and that's really got them rattled , and good

They aren't scared of that; they are scared that he isn't tarred with the same brush as the Blairites / Brownites are.

 

[ruffneck23]

as long as they are scared....

 

[brogdale]

Synthesis of the omni-crisis...

Responding to the Government’s announcement that it will now spend £9 million of taxpayers’ money to lead the campaign to keep the UK in the European Union, Vote Leave Spokesman Robert Oxley said:

‘Number Ten is trying to distract the media’s attention from the issue of whether the Prime Minister’s family money is kept in offshore trusts. The Government promised that it would not take on the lead role in the referendum, so it’s disgraceful that they’re spending taxpayers’ money which could go to the NHS on EU propaganda instead.

 

[Santino]

Do these two paragraphs strongly imply that it is Gove himself who is having a pop at Cameron on tax dodging?

A spokesman for Vote Leave, in which justice secretary Michael Gove plays a senior role, even accused No 10 of trying to steer the focus away from Cameron’s tax affairs.

“No 10 is trying to distract the media’s attention from the issue of whether the prime minister’s family money is kept in offshore trusts,” he said. "The government promised that it would not take on the lead role in the referendum, so it’s
disgraceful that they’re spending taxpayers’ money which could go to the NHS on EU propaganda instead.”

 

[brogdale]

Do these two paragraphs strongly imply that it is Gove himself who is having a pop at Cameron on tax dodging?

Gove is certainly pretty dischuffed at the Government mail-shot...

I want a fair campaign, I want people to hear from both sides but what I think is wrong is spending £9m of taxpayers’ money on one particular piece of one-sided propaganda. I think it is wrong that money that should be spent on priorities like the NHS is being spent on Euro-propaganda.

What people want are the facts and, of course, in a debate both sides will try to give people the information they need to make up their mind but the critical thing is I just think it’s wrong that at a time of austerity £9m of taxpayers’ money is going on a one-sided piece of propaganda, that money should be spent on the NHS, on the people’s priorities.

 

[marty21]

Gove is certainly pretty dischuffed at the Government mail-shot...

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He wants the same spent on anti EU propaganda , don't agree with him why would any government do that when the official policy is to stay .

 

[Teaboy]

Gove is certainly pretty dischuffed at the Government mail-shot...

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Its amazing how many of these senior tories are big fans of the NHS after all.

 

[brogdale]

Its amazing how many of these senior tories are big fans of the NHS after all.

Innit.

 

[marty21]

Haven't noticed too much Tory criticism of Cameron's tax affairs - perhaps they are happy him getting the shit on that one but don't want anyone to dig into their arrangements?

 

[brogdale]

Haven't noticed too much Tory criticism of Cameron's tax affairs - perhaps they are happy him getting the shit on that one but don't want anyone to dig into their arrangements?

Aside from their remaining innate tribal loyalty, I doubt that they think that Cameron or his father did anything worthy of criticism.

 

[emanymton]

I doubt that they think that Cameron or his father did anything worthy of criticism.

Which doesn't mean that won't criticism him, if they see some advantage in it of course.

 

[marty21]

Aside from their remaining innate tribal loyalty, I doubt that they think that Cameron or his father did anything worthy of criticism.

true, but their tribal loyalty is a bit less loyal atm

 

[brogdale]

true, but their tribal loyalty is a bit less loyal atm

'Tis true; we are living through extra-ordinary times when headlines like these are becoming so commonplace as to excite little comment...

 

[Sprocket.]

Line all the fuckers up against a wall.

They would try to sell the wall to the firing squad, pretty much what they have done over the decades to British industry!

 

[brogdale]

Major still hating on those bastards...

The battle now joined over Europe has - on one side - the romantic nostalgia of an Out campaign that aches for a past that has long gone, in a world that has moved on. On the other side those - like me - who wish to remain are not European dreamers: we are realists who see an edgy, uncomfortable world, and believe that the UK is safer, more secure and better off remaining with our partners in Europe.

In the referendum, the easiest slogans inevitably lie with the Out campaign, and repudiating their often foolish and extreme claims is for a UK audience. Suffice to say, the Out advocates, whether in enthusiasm or ignorance, lace their argument with false statistics and unlikely scenarios.

They promise negotiating gains that cannot - and will not - be delivered. They hail the purported gains of leaving Europe, whilst ignoring even the most obvious obstacles and drawbacks.​

Nice.

 

[existentialist]

Major still hating on those bastards...

The battle now joined over Europe has - on one side - the romantic nostalgia of an Out campaign that aches for a past that has long gone, in a world that has moved on. On the other side those - like me - who wish to remain are not European dreamers: we are realists who see an edgy, uncomfortable world, and believe that the UK is safer, more secure and better off remaining with our partners in Europe.

In the referendum, the easiest slogans inevitably lie with the Out campaign, and repudiating their often foolish and extreme claims is for a UK audience. Suffice to say, the Out advocates, whether in enthusiasm or ignorance, lace their argument with false statistics and unlikely scenarios.

They promise negotiating gains that cannot - and will not - be delivered. They hail the purported gains of leaving Europe, whilst ignoring even the most obvious obstacles and drawbacks.​

Nice.

For a Tory, I thought Major wasn't too bad. For a Tory.

ETA: although I still think that instead of "ess aitch one tees", he should just have called them cunts.

 

[Smangus]

Nice peas Norma.....