The children of Windrush

[ddraig]

deportations have been stopped by fellow passengers in the past

 

[killer b]

Sure. But I was specifically directing a question at a specific poster. That is allowed , surely?

And anyway on the very first page of the thread you said the Windrush generation were
"the tip of the iceberg. We need to make sure the argument is widened out at all opportunity."

quite. but 'open borders - yes/no' adds nothing but noise to the debate. as you know.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

deportations have been stopped by fellow passengers in the past

Presumably this is how you spend your free time or is it just something you expect others to do?

 

[SpookyFrank]

nice

Whay would you have said to those two heavies to make them see the error of their ways?

 

[ddraig]

Presumably this is how you spend your free time or is it just something you expect others to do?

not getting into a back and forth with you and could do with out your twisting or point scoring
I would speak up and kick off and try and get other passengers involved if I was on a plane and someone was being deported
you wouldn't at least speak up in that situation?

 

[killer b]

point scoring

erm.

 

[ddraig]

Whay would you have said to those two heavies to make them see the error of their ways?

I would protest to the crew and try and get other passengers involved

 

[ddraig]

erm.

?
don't want to derail this into a deportation on planes thread but i will respond if people quote me
how is asking someone if they spoke up point scoring?

 

[Slo-mo]

quite. but 'open borders - yes/no' adds nothing but noise to the debate. as you know.

I'm sorry, I'm confused.

You don't want to just talk about Windrush, you want it broader than that, but asking another poster for their wider views on immigration is off limits? Just how broad would sir like his debate? We aim to please

 

[killer b]

one without arseholes stirring it.

 

[Slo-mo]

one without arseholes stirring it.

I'm not 'stirring' anything. I'm asking a perfectly reasonable question of another poster.

 

[killer b]

you've got literally no-one fooled.

 

[Slo-mo]

you've got literally no-one fooled.

Fooled about what?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

you wouldn't at least speak up in that situation?

Not sure what I’d do. But what I wouldn’t do would be to deride others for what they did or didn’t do.

 

[killer b]

This thread from Akala has some interesting background and analysis too:

Thread by @akalamusic: "Post war 'mass migration' myths and realities, a thread.So you may have seen lots of seemingly ridiculous commonwealth deportation cases rec […]"

 

[Spymaster]

deportations have been stopped by fellow passengers in the past

Delayed maybe. Completely stopped, I doubt.

 

[Spymaster]

I would speak up and kick off and try and get other passengers involved if I was on a plane and someone was being deported

How do you know what he's being deported for?

 

[Slo-mo]

This thread from Akala has some interesting background and analysis too:

Thread by @akalamusic: "Post war 'mass migration' myths and realities, a thread.So you may have seen lots of seemingly ridiculous commonwealth deportation cases rec […]"

So you want a broader debate, but only on your terms? Don't work that way I'm afraid.

Ok, question for you. Should the 1948 situation have continued indefinitely? There are 2.4 billion people in the Commonwealth. Should they all have right of abode in the UK?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not 'stirring' anything. I'm asking a perfectly reasonable question of another poster.

pull the other one sonny jim

 

[Pickman's model]

So you want a broader debate, but only on your terms? Don't work that way I'm afraid.

Ok, question for you. Should the 1948 situation have continued indefinitely? There are 2.4 billion people in the Commonwealth. Should they all have right of abode in the UK?

this 2.4 bn does this include the uk?

 

[Pickman's model]

Presumably this is how you spend your free time or is it just something you expect others to do?

yes

 

[Slo-mo]

How do you know what he's being deported for?

Correct. He may even have been a Jamaican national who had committed a crime at home and tried to flee to the UK and was being deported back to Jamaica.

He may also have been a Jamaican national who committed a crime in the UK, had served part of his sentence and had chosen to serve the remainder in a Jamaican jail.

The very heavy security would suggest he was on his way to Jamaican custody rather than 'just' being deported.

 

[Slo-mo]

this 2.4 bn does this include the uk?

I believe it does, but UK population is less than .1 billion that's irrelevant really.

 

[Treacle Toes]

The very heavy security would suggest he was on his way to Jamaican custody rather than 'just' being deported.

No it doesn't. The heavy security is because he was male.

It's not unusual at all.

 

[Slo-mo]

No it doesn't. The heavy security is because he was male.

It's not unusual at all.

So if someone is 'just' being deported for eg overstaying a visa, they go to all this trouble rather than just simply making sure you get on the plane and confirming your arrival?

Excessive, to say the least?

 

[Treacle Toes]

So if someone is 'just' being deported for eg overstaying a visa, they go to all this trouble rather than just simply making sure you get on the plane and confirming your arrival?

Excessive, to say the least?

For someone who claimed above to know what they are talking about you are now asking a lot of questions.

It is common for commercial flights to be used to deport people. G4S are well known to have contracts for this kind of escort work for example.

Instead of assuming you could do a bit of research.

 

[bimble]

Yes, a quick google suggests it may have been G4s officers . And that restraints are used for 'regular' deportations on commercial flights.
Chaos over restraint rules for deportees
https://assets.publishing.service.g...file/543806/DSO_07-2016_Use_of_Restraints.pdf

^ wow:

 

[Treacle Toes]

The brilliant Right to Remain have some guidance on what individuals can do in terms of lobbying commercial airlines btw.

Right to Remain Toolkit: airline campaigning

 

[Pickman's model]

I believe it does, but UK population is less than .1 billion that's irrelevant really.

yeh. you've yet to adduce a reason for everyone from e.g. india or canada or australia to come here.

 

[skyscraper101]

So if someone is 'just' being deported for eg overstaying a visa, they go to all this trouble rather than just simply making sure you get on the plane and confirming your arrival?

Excessive, to say the least?

I suppose without a burly escort it would be easy enough to get booted off a plane by simply kicking off before departure no?

To be honest, if I was about to be deported unwillingly I'd kick off anyway. Just for the lol.