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Intersting article on the RTP website in Portugal ( probably extracted from some UK media )
That economist suggesting at the end of you quote that higher wages might be necessary to attract UK workers to particular roles is obviously crazy. Next he'll be suggesting that UK employers might have to train their own employees rather than getting them ready trained from other countries.

No surprise to see the original quote is from the Guardian...
 
Intersting article on the RTP website in Portugal ( probably extracted from some UK media )
correct me if Im wrong please
why would anyone from the EU be looking at these job ads at all - its illegal for them to work here now isnt it? and no doubt the jobs too low paying to be able to get a work visa - threshold is around £26k pa IIRC
 
correct me if Im wrong please
why would anyone from the EU be looking at these job ads at all - its illegal for them to work here now isnt it? and no doubt the jobs too low paying to be able to get a work visa - threshold is around £26k pa IIRC
You've made this claim about it being illegal for anyone from the EU to work here in the UK a few times recently.

Could you please either post something to substantiate it or admit that you've made a mistake and retract it.
 
You've made this claim about it being illegal for anyone from the EU to work here in the UK a few times recently.

Could you please either post something to substantiate it or admit that you've made a mistake and retract it.
Read the post again, it's not a claim its a request for clarification from someone who knows the rules
 
Read the post again, it's not a claim its a request for clarification from someone who knows the rules
It is a claim only it's a claim with a please tell me if I'm wrong attached. A request for clarification looks like here's something I'd like clarification on, rather different. And as Loose meat points out, a moment on Google shows you're talking out of your fundament.
 
Read the post again, it's not a claim its a request for clarification from someone who knows the rules
It's not just that one post (which could be interpreted as a request for info but could just as easily be a statement couched in the form of a question) it's a whole series of similar posts you seem to have made recently.

So let's be clear - it is not illegal for EU citizens to work in the UK.

What has happened is that various administrative procedures have changed, which has certainly caused serious problems in some cases, but by suggesting what you have repeatedly suggested you do your argument no favours, TBH
 
That economist suggesting at the end of you quote that higher wages might be necessary to attract UK workers to particular roles is obviously crazy. Next he'll be suggesting that UK employers might have to train their own employees rather than getting them ready trained from other countries.

No surprise to see the original quote is from the Guardian...
It’s the job of workers to train themselves these days, and pay for it, hence university fees and internships. Gone are the days when people like my dad did about a decade of day release and night school, paid for by the company. Fuck it, you’re on your own now. Neoliberalism says you have to ‘invest in yourself’, if you have the capital.
 
It’s the job of workers to train themselves these days, and pay for it, hence university fees and internships. Gone are the days when people like my dad did about a decade of day release and night school, paid for by the company. Fuck it, you’re on your own now. Neoliberalism says you have to ‘invest in yourself’, if you have the capital.
Or someone will lend it to you, and you get to spend the first decades of your working life in hock.
 
Some evidence of the trading impacts of the post-Brexit arrangements:


If there any attempt there to separate out the effects from Brexit with those from COVID?

If the fall in sales was similar across EU and non-EU states, that would suggest to me it was mostly the result of COVID, but it there was a significant difference, then that difference would presumably give us some idea of how much was the result of Brexit.
 
If there any attempt there to separate out the effects from Brexit with those from COVID?

If the fall in sales was similar across EU and non-EU states, that would suggest to me it was mostly the result of COVID, but it there was a significant difference, then that difference would presumably give us some idea of how much was the result of Brexit.
Can't speak to the methodology of the number crunching, but this was the follow-up tweet from the BBC:

 
If there any attempt there to separate out the effects from Brexit with those from COVID?

If the fall in sales was similar across EU and non-EU states, that would suggest to me it was mostly the result of COVID, but it there was a significant difference, then that difference would presumably give us some idea of how much was the result of Brexit.
You can see from the graphic that the fall was exclusively / almost exclusively related to EU states.
 
Can't speak to the methodology of the number crunching, but this was the follow-up tweet from the BBC:


Yeah, it certainly looks from the original graphic that the EU figures have fallen more than the non-EU ones, but it's not clear to me how much, or how significant that is.

If we're interested in overall import/export balances*, we also need to factor in reductions in imports from the EU.

*this isn't the only thing we should be interested in, but it is a significant part of the overall picture.
 
If there any attempt there to separate out the effects from Brexit with those from COVID?

If the fall in sales was similar across EU and non-EU states, that would suggest to me it was mostly the result of COVID, but it there was a significant difference, then that difference would presumably give us some idea of how much was the result of Brexit.
the graph is labelled in blue and red for the EU and non-EU bars in the stack.
 
Yeah, it certainly looks from the original graphic that the EU figures have fallen more than the non-EU ones, but it's not clear to me how much, or how significant that is.

If we're interested in overall import/export balances*, we also need to factor in reductions in imports from the EU.

*this isn't the only thing we should be interested in, but it is a significant part of the overall picture.
tbf, it looks pretty clear to me.
 
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