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well 4 years to sort out the easiest 'deal', but turned out on one had done any real work, schedule changes, mobile checking apps, co-op deals in Europe, trade stamps etc.

I can see the break up of Scotland and Wales by this London-centric based performance theater. How are prices now on imported goods, will local food take over?
 
By the way, whenever I see mockery for Brexit performance on here I never see it as reflecting on urbanites who voted to leave, always the way the tories have implemented it.

The left leave vote is a marginal one anyway based on an opposition to super-state neoliberalism. I doubt it made any discernible difference to the result anywhere. Tories are in power whether remain or leave, and the failure is ultimately of the left to have offered an alternative... and any opportunity for Labour to have done so was fucked at the first by moderates and centrists. And Labour are providing fuck all alternative now either. And so here we are.
 
The left leave vote is a marginal one anyway based on an opposition to super-state neoliberalism. I doubt it made any discernible difference to the result anywhere. Tories are in power whether remain or leave, and the failure is ultimately of the left to have offered an alternative... and any opportunity for Labour to have done so was fucked at the first by moderates and centrists. And Labour are providing fuck all alternative now either. And so here we are.

This was the most upsetting aspect of 2016 at the time, Corbyn came out guns blazing and an hour later the Labour party exploded and shat itself.
 
Interesting that Johnson appeared on US TV, CBS's Face the Nation today and non of the interview touched on anything to do with a UK/US trade deal. Lots of stuff on Covi and vaccines, a brief mention of China and the virus, Johnson want joint work with US/UK on climate change in particular 'hydrogen, putting a big bet on wind power', committed to the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the Peace Agreement, the Good Friday process, the Belfast Agreement, and the NI protocol.
Wasn't asked about a trade agreement but normally Johnson doesn't let an opportunity slip to get his agenda in so I guess the chicken issue isn't anywhere near the table let alone oven ready .
 
well 4 years to sort out the easiest 'deal', but turned out on one had done any real work, schedule changes, mobile checking apps, co-op deals in Europe, trade stamps etc.

I can see the break up of Scotland and Wales by this London-centric based performance theater. How are prices now on imported goods, will local food take over?
You're the first person I've seen here suggesting Wales and Scotland may fragment, everyone else has foreseen them leaving the uk
 
We could have had a glorious Lexit if they hadn’t stabbed him in the back.

I’d settle for anything but 4 years of bun fights over trying to have another referendum and a coherent challenge to “full brexit fuck the Eu and remoaners” m

Other options to this brexit were available, many of them much softer and more guided and far less damaging
 
Admittedly, I'm not a Labour supporter, but at some point you centrists are going to have to accept your part in all of this wider mess. Hows Keir 'I agree with Boris' Starmer working out for you?
Like you said yourself the lexit thing was marginal, it had no significant following in the party or the wider country, so why go in that direction.
The muddled mess is more down to Corbyns bad leadership - look also how the anti semitism thing was handled. He’s left Starmers hands tied, even when brexit is turning out bad.
 
In response to a question about the current issues with trading with the EU, Mr Raab says that in ten years time we'll be exporting loads of stuff to the indo-pacific, so not to worry. :thumbs:


will be interesting to see what Plan D is if the UK doesnt get in on the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

 
Didn't the TPP incorporate that particularly nasty investor-state dispute settlement that was chased off a couple of years ago?

Investor-state dispute settlement — an integral part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal — allows companies to sue entire countries for costing them money when laws or regulations change. Cases are decided by extrajudicial tribunals composed of three corporate lawyers.

The Big Problem With The Trans-Pacific Partnership's Super Court That We're Not Talking About
 
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Didn't the TPP incorporate those particularly nasty investor-state dispute settlement that was chased off a couple of years ago?



The Big Problem With The Trans-Pacific Partnership's Super Court That We're Not Talking About

It's a feature of most trade deals now, including the WTO deals. Alongside that marvelous"buying local requirements are an unfair advantage and harm business"

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Perhaps we should be keeping a list of the things they had to go back and change from the brexit agreement.

I suspect it will turn out to be a rather long list.
 
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