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bimble said:
But it’s the UK demanding that India be ‘more flexible’ and Indian government not wanting to, according to that incomprehensible news article. Idk.
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I am alas no more privy to the negotiations than anyone else but I would guess that the UK Govt wants the current trading agreement to continue as is and the Indians have seen a chance to get us to give them more so I would lay good money that Raheem is spot on.
Loosening the restrictions on data going to India is not really in the UK Govt's interest. They may not (and probably don't) care about individual privacy but allowing data from UK servers to move to Indian ones is not necessarily a good idea. It may benefit Indian companies but would negatively impact on UK companies doing business with European and North American companies. This is particularly true for European banks who aren't going to be happy with the idea that they send data to the UK who then forward it to India where it is out of their control but they are still liable for whatever happens to it.
 
kabbes said:
Fair enough but I’m not talking about “bankers” (I don’t even work for a bank, for a start). I’m talking about everyday data clerks.
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They will have complied with the rules. Ie your company pays more than £25k to its everyday data clerks, or those everyday data clerks come under the category of a 'shortage occupation', or they have specific experience in everyday data from their previous work that it is difficult to find in applicants from the UK. If they have degrees, that will also help.

Recruiting people from outside the UK

Presumably your company has people (lawyers) who are skilled in doing this stuff. But any idea that it is somehow easy or straightforward to do is simply not true.
 
this is trending on twitter for some reason --- i guess because its depressingly entertaining hearing the likes of the Baroness speaking delusional nonsense

highlight has to be her calling for a land customs border between Ireland and NI, and blaming the "playing hardball" EU for stopping that from happening :facepalm:




It does though look like the Border In The Sea issue isn't going to go away anytime soon. I wonder how long before its officially a crisis
 
Badgers said:
It is about to get a lot lot worse sadly.
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im sure thats true, once the grace period ends

hard to see what the options are here other than

-NI has to lump it (with the danger it will lead to Unionist direct action)
-UK blows up the deal and implement Johnsons throw it in the bin plan after all, leading to breakdown in relations with the EU
-UK attempts to renegotiate which I cant see achieving much beyond generating anti EU headlines in the UK press

?
Thats all i've got.
 
ska invita said:
im sure thats true, once the grace period ends

hard to see what the options are here other than

-NI has to lump it (with the danger it will lead to Unionist direct action)
-UK blows up the deal and implement Johnsons throw it in the bin plan after all, leading to breakdown in relations with the EU
-UK attempts to renegotiate which I cant see achieving much beyond generating anti EU headlines in the UK press

?
Thats all i've got.
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Yup, the grace period is almost over and the paperwork is about to become a shit show sad to say. I was given three hours today to try and understand the process. Three weeks might have been manageable.
 
ska invita said:
im sure thats true, once the grace period ends

hard to see what the options are here other than

-NI has to lump it (with the danger it will lead to Unionist direct action)
-UK blows up the deal and implement Johnsons throw it in the bin plan after all, leading to breakdown in relations with the EU
-UK attempts to renegotiate which I cant see achieving much beyond generating anti EU headlines in the UK press

?
Thats all i've got.
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A renegotiation that involves a substantial commitment from the UK to align with the EU in return for far simpler trading terms. ie the thing they should have done in the first place. It would of course be a humiliating climbdown and they probably won't do it, but that doesn't mean it isn't an option. It is and always was.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
A renegotiation that involves a substantial commitment from the UK to align with the EU in return for far simpler trading terms. ie the thing they should have done in the first place. It would of course be a humiliating climbdown and they probably won't do it, but that doesn't mean it isn't an option. It is and always was.
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“in a negotiation don’t seem desperate”
 
ska invita said:
im sure thats true, once the grace period ends

hard to see what the options are here other than

-NI has to lump it (with the danger it will lead to Unionist direct action)
-UK blows up the deal and implement Johnsons throw it in the bin plan after all, leading to breakdown in relations with the EU
-UK attempts to renegotiate which I cant see achieving much beyond generating anti EU headlines in the UK press

?
Thats all i've got.
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ska invita said:
everything they say is true - BJ absolutely bare face lied, repeatedly, and fucked them off as the cost of no customs union.
I cant imagine a single person in NI is going to be thinking otherwise.

Question is what comes next.
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There’s a very select group of people that have been randomly picked in that video. Jamie Bryson wanted a no deal Brexit , and a couple of years ago wanted wall to be built between the south and the north a la Trump.
 
The39thStep said:
There’s a very select group of people that have been randomly picked in that video. Jamie Bryson wanted a no deal Brexit , and a couple of years ago wanted wall to be built between the south and the north a la Trump.
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sure three talking heads is never representative
but who in NI would be happy with how Johnsons has played Brexit for NI?

Loyalists will be livid because of the border in the sea BJ said no british prime minister would allow
Unionists will see it as another sign of being screwed by Westminster
Anyone in between will also have heard BJ's Over My Dead Body lies and will be aware of the new border problems
I cant see who in NI would be sympathetic to what Johnsons has done here
 
ska invita said:
sure three talking heads is never representative
but who in NI would be happy with how Johnsons has played Brexit for NI?

Loyalists will be livid because of the border in the sea BJ said no british prime minister would allow
Unionists will see it as another sign of being screwed by Westminster
Anyone in between will also have heard BJ's Over My Dead Body lies and will be aware of the new border problems
I cant see who in NI would be sympathetic to what Johnsons has done here
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Don't think many , possibly anyone. That wasn't my point though , which was that the video might come over as a random vox pop but its clearly not.
 
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