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[Badgers]

Samantha Cameron business hit by post-Brexit 'teething issues' | Samantha Cameron | The Guardian

Wife of former PM says her firm is being hampered by trading difficulties with EU countries

amp.theguardian.com

One positive I suppose. Although unlike most businesses she does not need the cash and the workers will suffer not her.

 

[Pickman's model]

Raheem Yeh you've got me bang to rights, there should be a comma after uk

It's this hyperattention to detail which should serve you well at the pedant of the year competition

 

[The39thStep]

Unfortunately , and I can see why , its all first come first served with the richest countries and the EU buying up huge swathes of the vaccines.

 

[The39thStep]

Raheem Yeh you've got me bang to rights, there should be a comma after uk

It's this hyperattention to detail which should serve you well at the pedant of the year competition

Good idea for a thread Urban Pedant of the Year

 

[gosub]

In an ideal world each according to need
In this case some international solidarity in the spirit of saving lives
Bollocks to Covid nationalism
Johnson is going to Scotland today to Save The Union - his message (supposedly)? I can get you vaccines ahead of others in the EU. Cunt

With regards Astra Zenica vaccine, think what the UK has managed to get done is pretty fucking remarkable actually. Sand in the vaseline I think, stems from India getting slightly cold feet on the amount of its production being for export

 

[andysays]

Samantha Cameron business hit by post-Brexit 'teething issues' | Samantha Cameron | The Guardian

Wife of former PM says her firm is being hampered by trading difficulties with EU countries

amp.theguardian.com

One positive I suppose. Although unlike most businesses she does not need the cash and the workers will suffer not her.

I hope she's giving her husband a proper ear bashing over it

 

[Wolveryeti]

Both sides of both campaigns lied.

Let's be charitable and call them forecasts. Whose forecast is looking more accurate?

Do we have the easiest trade deal ever and £350m/wk extra for the NHS?

Is it true that the pound is worth less and jobs are being lost because of paperwork?

Hmm

 

[littlebabyjesus]

tbh the actual brexit we have is worse in many regards than the prospect that was being laid out by many pro-remain campaigners. Don't think many people on either side imagined any government could make this much of a mess of it.

 

[TopCat]

Let's be charitable and call them forecasts. Whose forecast is looking more accurate?

Do we have the easiest trade deal ever and £350m/wk extra for the NHS?

Is it true that the pound is worth less and jobs are being lost because of paperwork?

Hmm

What do you think of the current events?

 

[The39thStep]

tbh the actual brexit we have is worse in many regards than the prospect that was being laid out by many pro-remain campaigners. Don't think many people on either side imagined any government could make this much of a mess of it.

I had no faith in the Tories or the EU in delivering a deal that didn't involve a biting nose to spite face situation on both sides tbh.

 

[Winot]

The EU is clearly behaving badly here. I’m not clear however whether the position would be any different had the UK not left the EU. Does anyone know?

 

[mauvais]

The EU is clearly behaving badly here. I’m not clear however whether the position would be any different had the UK not left the EU. Does anyone know?

I suppose it depends primarily on whether the UK would have entered into the EU scheme to procure vaccines, rather than following its own path. Given recent-ish (pre-2016) decisions on other international projects like defence, I suspect probably not.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The EU is clearly behaving badly here. I’m not clear however whether the position would be any different had the UK not left the EU. Does anyone know?

The main difference would be that the EU wouldn't be able to threaten to block exports to the UK in retaliation. Not that they really have any basis on which to do so now.

 

[Winot]

The main difference would be that the EU wouldn't be able to threaten to block exports to the UK in retaliation. Not that they really have any basis on which to do so now.

Block exports from the EU, which is unable to produce the vaccine, to the UK, where the vaccine is being produced?

 

[magneze]

From the vaccine thread:

 

[The39thStep]

What do you think of the current events?

There's a complete absence of any acknowledgement by some remain posters on these boards ( not all ) of any jobs losses or attacks on conditions unless they can somehow be considered to be related to Brexit . Very rarely if at anytime have I seen them post about strikes , unions, how to try and build resistance to austerity in communities or workplaces. Its almost as if the catalogue of company closures, redundancies , disputes over outsourcing, fire and rehire don't really matter cos being in the EU is apparently the most important and all consuming issue . I might have diffrences about the referendum with those remainer who have posted on such topic and threads but I know that they will oppose all job losses and attacks. I've no time for one trick ponies though.

 

[gosub]

Isn't it also the case that this is the first time the EU is having much to do with health policy? Normally that's member states responsibility.

Judging by how well it's all going, I suspect it'll remain member states responsibility.

What apart from that time Commissioner David Byrne banned smoking in the workplace.

 

[gosub]

I suppose it depends primarily on whether the UK would have entered into the EU scheme to procure vaccines, rather than following its own path. Given recent-ish (pre-2016) decisions on other international projects like defence, I suspect probably not.

Except. A year ago UK had capacity to make 2litres of this stuff. (I'll have a nose around for the world service program I heard that on in the summer). The UK was always going to be in the running for researching a vaccine, but we'd had most of pharmaceutical mass production stripped out.

Defence is a different complicated story, but glad to see back of a President wrongly saw no value in NATO standards

 

[bimble]

Quite interesting, on the doomedness of ‘vaccine nationalism’.

Sharing Covid vaccines is in UK's best interests, say scientists

Delivering doses to other countries will reduce chance of virus coming back in new forms, say experts

www.theguardian.com

Don’t think it’s that much of a brexit thing in particular, will be playing out all over in different ways.

 

[Pickman's model]

Quite interesting, on the doomedness of ‘vaccine nationalism’.

Sharing Covid vaccines is in UK's best interests, say scientists

Delivering doses to other countries will reduce chance of virus coming back in new forms, say experts

www.theguardian.com

Don’t think it’s that much of a brexit thing in particular, will be playing out all over in different ways.

you're very optimistic if you think vn is doomed

 

[bimble]

you're very optimistic if you think vn is doomed

Can things not be stupid & doomed and also go on for years? Personal experience suggests they can no problem.

 

[2hats]

From the vaccine thread:

Additionally, ROK feel there is insufficient data from AZD1222 trials on over 65s for it to be used in those cohorts.

South Korea reviews AstraZeneca vaccine for elderly under rollout plan

South Korea will review the use of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine for the elderly because of limited efficacy data, the government said on Thursday, as it unveiled a plan to inoculate 10 million high-risk people by July.

www.reuters.com

 

[ska invita]

This

Sharing Covid vaccines is in UK's best interests, say scientists

Delivering doses to other countries will reduce chance of virus coming back in new forms, say experts

www.theguardian.com

Won't happen

 

[bimble]

This

Sharing Covid vaccines is in UK's best interests, say scientists

Delivering doses to other countries will reduce chance of virus coming back in new forms, say experts

www.theguardian.com

Won't happen

I think it will for political expediency / ‘soft power’, like India is doing. But not yet obvs.

 

[TopCat]

This

Sharing Covid vaccines is in UK's best interests, say scientists

Delivering doses to other countries will reduce chance of virus coming back in new forms, say experts

www.theguardian.com

Won't happen

It might well happen but later.

 

[ska invita]

Ha yeah I meant now!

 

[Supine]

Except. A year ago UK had capacity to make 2litres of this stuff. (I'll have a nose around for the world service program I heard that on in the summer). The UK was always going to be in the running for researching a vaccine, but we'd had most of pharmaceutical mass production stripped out.

Not sure where that 2L capacity came from. There are a number of big vaccine sites in the UK that have been running for years. Including the one currently being used to make large quantities of AZ product.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think it will for political expediency / ‘soft power’, like India is doing. But not yet obvs.

I don't think the govt gives much consideration to soft power as witness what they're doing with the aid budget

 

[The39thStep]

The review into employment rights and the WTD isn't happening.

 

[brogdale]

The review into employment rights and the WTD isn't happening.

...officially.