The American mass shooting thread

[Yuwipi Woman]

Kind of typical American response though. "Duh, they should have shut the doors."

I've run enough events in various venues to know there's really no way to completely lock down the doors. There's always going to be someone who steps out for a smoke and props a door open. Or, props it open to carry stuff inside. Even with doors that automatically close behind you, you're going to get doors that will stick or not lock properly.

I'm just glad the Nashville police didn't pull an Uvalde and sit outside with their thumbs up their ass.

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According to reports this morning, he shot his way through the glass panel next to a side door.

 

[Tanya1982]

This was last year's Christmas card from the state lawmaker who represents the part of Nashville where the shooting happened

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Fuck sake. Imagine living next door to them.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Bet no one breaks into his house

On the contrary. It looks like a great place to get some free guns.

 

[1927]

"elaborate suicide" perhaps not the best phrase to use.

But a great name for a band!

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

But a great name for a band!

Yeh, but who wants to play in an Emo band?

 

[teqniq]

What the fuck?

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeh, but who wants to play in an Emo band?

Rod Hull and emo

 

[steveo87]

Any 'thoughts and prayers, yet?

 

[Orang Utan]

Sadly, this is is gonna be just another opp for genderfascists to shit on innocent trans folk

Yup:

 

[Orang Utan]

Now this is the spiciest of all takes:

 

[krtek a houby]

Bet no one breaks into his house

Maybe the feds will, one day

 

[Diamond]

The police seem to think that she had training, going on the way that she shot at them.

Then there's this manifesto as well, which is apparently very detailed and has maps and sketches of what she was about to do.

 

[8ball]

She probably was taking testosterone (many seem to think they can see it in her facial physiognomy). I'm reminded of a woman's account of taking testosterone and how her thought processes became massively more sexualised and violent - it was kind of an alarmist article (I thought like a man for a bit etc!) but it did make me wonder about the conditioning of boys and men over the course of their lives that prevents them from acting on their impulses. I suspect if you haven't gone through that process, suddenly taking testosterone might provoke some surprising and hard-to-manage results.

On another point, if, as seems likely, this was a politically motivated attack, I don't think it should be viewed in the same category as other school shootings. If an Islamist did something like this, we wouldn't be grouping it with Sandy Hook, Columbine etc. Perhaps the closest comparator might be the Elliot Rodgers incel shootings but, even then, this is a bit different given the mainstream nature of the political issues.

As far as I’m aware the main effects of testosterone therapy (as opposed to the assorted “gym ‘roids”) are in the direction of being anxiolytic and anti-depressant.

Also, I don’t think I’ve even heard of a case of extreme violence committed by a trans man before this, whereas trans men are well documented as being at high risk of violence, so without some serious backup this looks dangerously half-cocked.

 

[Pickman's model]

The police seem to think that she had training, going on the way that she shot at them.

Then there's this manifesto as well, which is apparently very detailed and has maps and sketches of what she was about to do.

They think that or they seem to think that? For a lawyer you're really sloppy with language

 

[Diamond]

They think that or they seem to think that? For a lawyer you're really sloppy with language

It's what you might call a working hypothesis and so the language that I used reflected its provisional nature.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's what you might call a working hypothesis and so the language that I used reflected its provisional nature.

That's your working hypothesis? What a useless one it is. Rather than speculate on what the cops are thinking why didn't you say that you thought it possible hale had had firearms training?

 

[Diamond]

That's your working hypothesis? What a useless one it is. Rather than speculate on what the cops are thinking why didn't you say that you thought it possible hale had had firearms training?

Did I say it was mine?

This is pretty remarkable footage - real bravery:

 

[Pickman's model]

Did I say it was mine?

Pretty much yes

 

[Diamond]

But, if you want a hypothesis - here's one - it is interesting, going on the footage, that she appeared to be up for the fight with the police and chose to engage them in a shoot-out. That suggests some sort of pre-meditation, some understanding that they were the enemy.

 

[Yossarian]

Yup:
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That stupid piece of shit Elon Musk is never going to get over his daughter being trans, is he?

 

[Pickman's model]

But, if you want a hypothesis - here's one - it is interesting, going on the footage, that she appeared to be up for the fight with the police and chose to engage them in a shoot-out. That suggests some sort of pre-meditation, some understanding that they were the enemy.

You don't say

 

[Orang Utan]

Did I say it was mine?

This is pretty remarkable footage - real bravery:

Pay attention to who has posted that, Diamond

 

[Pickman's model]

Pay attention to who has posted that, Diamond

Yeh just the sort of person he admires

 

[Nylock]

This was last year's Christmas card from the state lawmaker who represents the part of Nashville where the shooting happened

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When asked about gun controls in the wake of the shooting, that dipshit had the temerity to get all spiky about his second amendment rights. Fucking oxygen thief.

Yup:
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:barf:

 

[chandlerp]

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

This is the young lady that received a message from the shooter before the shooting saying what he was about to do. What a horrible thing to spend her life remembering. She and her father immediately informed the authorities. She received the message a bit before 10:00 am and the police were responding to the school by 10:13 am. The reporter tried to make out that the police responded too slowly, but she wouldn't go for it. She seems pretty level-headed.



Shame on that reporter for trying to create a controversy where there wasn't one.

 

[krink]

I spend too much time on twitter and I was dreading reading this thread as over there, there are a number of leftwing accounts who are basically saying it's hormones and the evil trans agenda. I generally keep away from the trans debate on twitter as it's completely poisonous so I was really sad to see my apparent comrades repeating far right tropes and talking points.

So can I just say I'm glad this forum is not like that. I am friends with a young ftm lad and it breaks my heart he might feel he is being blamed in some way for this monstrous act of violence.

They were just little kids and people use this tragedy to bash trans people before the smoke has even cleared. They're sick in the head.

 

[pbsmooth]

Did I say it was mine?

This is pretty remarkable footage - real bravery:

"trans shooter"

fuck off

 

[pbsmooth]

from the same guy:
"Enough. I’m done playing games. I’ve seen the map. Done the research. A Trans Terrorist attacked a CHURCH. Yes, there is a small school on church PROPERTY. But the CORRECT take is that a Trans Activist Attacked A Christian Church. Christians: Wake up."

maybe just delete any link to that fucker.

 

[Pickman's model]

"trans shooter"

fuck off

You can tell a lot about a poster by who he quotes approvingly off twitter