danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I know. I remember years ago one came on here and I was struggling a bit at the time and I went off at them. I’m unable to enter into debate dispassionately about this.
The American mass shooting thread
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I know this is an odd thing to get hung up on when people are dead, but why are they dead naming and misgendering the shooter? He identified as male. Evidently, he used the name "Aiden" rather than Audrey. This looks very much like an elaborate suicide. To quote this story:
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I mention this not so much for the shooter benefit, but for all the other trans people out there who are being misgendered and being treated as less than. This is going to embolden anti-trans activists against all trans people. If he had gone off somewhere and just shot himself, he'd just be another tick on the trans suicide statistics.
Audrey Hale, Nashville Covenant School Shooting Suspect: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Audrey Hale was the 28-year-old who fatally shot three students and three adults at The Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, on March 27, 2023.
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I mention this not so much for the shooter benefit, but for all the other trans people out there who are being misgendered and being treated as less than. This is going to embolden anti-trans activists against all trans people. If he had gone off somewhere and just shot himself, he'd just be another tick on the trans suicide statistics.
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
How so? I'm clearly not condoning or excusing it. It's just not an easy thing to discuss.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tbh it makes no sense to be anti-guns when you know your political opponents are armed to the teeth.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
... and use phrases like "second amendment solution."
Flavour
hang the bankers
It's perfect for the RW media this then, if it was a trans man, because they get to be both misogynistic and anti-trans. Fucking awful.
But you know what, I'd really just rather we didn't talk about the shooter at all. I don't give a fuck what pronouns they used. As in other cases of mass shooting, I don't want them to be remembered. They have waived their right to sympathy by murdering children.
But you know what, I'd really just rather we didn't talk about the shooter at all. I don't give a fuck what pronouns they used. As in other cases of mass shooting, I don't want them to be remembered. They have waived their right to sympathy by murdering children.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
afaics it's really rather hard to remember the victims without at least some implicit memory of the shooter
To do what with? Shoot the fish? I don’t go fishing, but always assumed the point was to fish with fishing equipment, not to machine gun the water.
I think it’s shocking that anyone would. It’s never less shocking, and I don’t find this more so.
Thora
Differently Ethical
It's extremely uncommon, which makes it more shocking. We're more used to male violence.
editor
hiraethified
They shot the windows of the doors and got in that way,
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I know this is an odd thing to get hung up on when people are dead, but why are they dead naming and misgendering the shooter? He identified as male. Evidently, he used the name "Aiden" rather than Audrey. This looks very much like an elaborate suicide. To quote this story:
Audrey Hale, Nashville Covenant School Shooting Suspect: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Audrey Hale was the 28-year-old who fatally shot three students and three adults at The Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, on March 27, 2023.
I mention this not so much for the shooter benefit, but for all the other trans people out there who are being misgendered and being treated as less than. This is going to embolden anti-trans activists against all trans people. If he had gone off somewhere and just shot himself, he'd just be another tick on the trans suicide statistics.
Why couldn't the fucker just have blown their head off, rather than killing children to engender suicide by police?
It is, yes. We are. But I think its a mistake to let ourselves be less shocked by it. Because it’s not less shocking, and this isn’t more shocking. Every single one of these events is utterly and equally shocking - in every context but an American one.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Well the shooter did identify as male, so maybe had a similar mindset to other spree killers, being as in thrall to the same ‘toxic masculinity’ as other young males
Quite possibly. But I don’t think the speculation helps. And I don’t think treating lethal male violence as somehow less taboo is helpful, or accurate. We aren’t talking about some testosterone fuelled guy kicking someone’s head in after a night out - but the cold blooded mass murder of totally innocent and defenceless people.
Its difficult for me to be objective around shootings. I have seen someone shot dead, and have lived with the fallout - which has been extensive. I know the damage it causes. There is no justification for a person who isn’t responsible (and accountable) for something like protecting livestock from bears to have firearms at home.
I don’t think American women can be given a pass here. They also largely support firearm ownership, and vote for those who make it too easy to access unreal quantities of horrific weaponry. This is only tangentially about male violence. It’s really about gun ownership, and a society that refuses to engage with its own reality.
Thora
Differently Ethical
Extreme violence as gender expression?
She probably was taking testosterone (many seem to think they can see it in her facial physiognomy). I'm reminded of a woman's account of taking testosterone and how her thought processes became massively more sexualised and violent - it was kind of an alarmist article (I thought like a man for a bit etc!) but it did make me wonder about the conditioning of boys and men over the course of their lives that prevents them from acting on their impulses. I suspect if you haven't gone through that process, suddenly taking testosterone might provoke some surprising and hard-to-manage results.
On another point, if, as seems likely, this was a politically motivated attack, I don't think it should be viewed in the same category as other school shootings. If an Islamist did something like this, we wouldn't be grouping it with Sandy Hook, Columbine etc. Perhaps the closest comparator might be the Elliot Rodgers incel shootings but, even then, this is a bit different given the mainstream nature of the political issues.
On another point, if, as seems likely, this was a politically motivated attack, I don't think it should be viewed in the same category as other school shootings. If an Islamist did something like this, we wouldn't be grouping it with Sandy Hook, Columbine etc. Perhaps the closest comparator might be the Elliot Rodgers incel shootings but, even then, this is a bit different given the mainstream nature of the political issues.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Not sure what you mean
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Yes, that would have been preferable to killing six people. Preferable to that would be someone recognizing that this was a person in trouble and getting them treatment before anyone died.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
" They say he entered the school through a side entrance and began shooting."
Nashville school shooting updates: Vigils held after Covenant School shooting; first footage released
Metro Nashville Police say a former student carrying two assault rifles and a handgun killed three students and three adults at The Covenant School in Nashville Monday.
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"The suspected shooter allegedly entered the Christian school through a side entrance and went from the first floor to the second floor, firing multiple shots, police said."
Nashville shooting timeline: How the massacre unfolded at the Covenant School
Police said 14 minutes passed between the time they got a 911 call about a shooter at a Christian school outside Nashville and the suspect's death.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you don't half post some bilge
Yossarian
⏭️
" They say he entered the school through a side entrance and began shooting."
Nashville school shooting updates: Vigils held after Covenant School shooting; first footage released
Metro Nashville Police say a former student carrying two assault rifles and a handgun killed three students and three adults at The Covenant School in Nashville Monday.
"The suspected shooter allegedly entered the Christian school through a side entrance and went from the first floor to the second floor, firing multiple shots, police said."
Nashville shooting timeline: How the massacre unfolded at the Covenant School
Police said 14 minutes passed between the time they got a 911 call about a shooter at a Christian school outside Nashville and the suspect's death.abcnews.go.com
There's no contradiction there - the shooter entered through a side entrance after shooting the doors
editor
hiraethified
There's footage of the person shooting through the glass of the door," They say he entered the school through a side entrance and began shooting."
Nashville school shooting updates: Vigils held after Covenant School shooting; first footage released
Metro Nashville Police say a former student carrying two assault rifles and a handgun killed three students and three adults at The Covenant School in Nashville Monday.
"The suspected shooter allegedly entered the Christian school through a side entrance and went from the first floor to the second floor, firing multiple shots, police said."
Nashville shooting timeline: How the massacre unfolded at the Covenant School
Police said 14 minutes passed between the time they got a 911 call about a shooter at a Christian school outside Nashville and the suspect's death.
Yossarian
⏭️
This was last year's Christmas card from the state lawmaker who represents the part of Nashville where the shooting happened
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Bet no one breaks into his house
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