Yes they do. The case of which I spoke was in New York City.
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Yes they do. The case of which I spoke was in New York City.
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
If i knew someone was trying to kill me i probably would hide tbh.......
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
You have to be a particularly badly organised assassin to give your prey the time to surprise YOU. I don't buy it at all. You've sent someone a death threat. You hate them. You are going to kill them. If you spend a few minutes planning it you're almost guaranteed to blow their brains out before they've even reached for their gun.
You'd have to be absolutely useless to get murdered by your target.
Manter
Lunch Mob
And yet someone I know in NYC was firmly advised not to go down the 'I think I'm Colin Farrell and can take down the bag guys' route. So it sounds like your mate got one macho pumped up copper. That doesn't make it good or scientifically supported advice- it makes it some sort of testosterone inspired glory trip.
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
But you are making it sound just like the movies. Just. Like.
Yes, and who uses them for offence? Criminals do. But banning guns will have no effect on criminals, who do not buy their weapons legally.
Now, who would use a gun strictly for defence? Law-abiding citizens. But banning guns will prevent law-abiding citizens from owning them.
So you are recommending the perfect way to ensure that guns are only used for offence and never for defence.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Yes agree- And most threats are not followed through- people rant and threaten and all sorts.... that doesn't actually mean you'd get into a hollywood style gun battle. And despite what hollywood says, bullets can go through walls and furniture and ricochet- you end up messing with something you just don't understand- and we're talking lethal force here.
Not at all. The man in question was a Palestinian activist, who'd been sentenced to death by a rival faction. The advice did not come from some pumped-up rogue copper, it was the considered policy of the NYPD, and presumably it still is.
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
Armed criminals of the sort that go out attacking people wouldn't need as much or as high powered weapons if they didn't think the victims were likely to be armed.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Of course banning guns makes a difference to criminals. It's not impossible to target illegal weapons and do something to reduce the quantity of them in circulation.
Manter
Lunch Mob
over here, he'd have been advised to get a bodyguard- ie someone trained, who works in shifts, who knows what threats look like etc etc- not put a handgun under the pillow and hope the quick draw stuff in movies is true....
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
You have the perfect avatar for this.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
so insane. I do not need or want a gun for any reason. I do not want my kids or anyone else's kids anywhere near guns, and they do not make me feel safer, and they're not going to make me any "safer"
my sister went to take a shooting class during a time when she felt very threatened by an ex. She tried to shoot the gun one time and said it was awful, she started shaking and nearly crying. The people at the gun school or whatever it's called tried to give her a certificate to buy a gun anyway.
Seriously, they were pushing it on her.
"No, really. You'll be fine. Try it again!"
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Its brighton lots of talk about getting tooled up but the only gun i saw ended up in the hands of a drunk who thought it was a replica.
It was rusty and banged up but apprantly fully functional.
Copper who came to collect it wanted me to reassemble it refused because handing a non firearms officer a functional firearm didnt seem the smartest of moves
It was rusty and banged up but apprantly fully functional.
Copper who came to collect it wanted me to reassemble it refused because handing a non firearms officer a functional firearm didnt seem the smartest of moves
my sister went to take a shooting class during a time when she felt very threatened by an ex. She tried to shoot the gun one time and said it was awful, she started shaking and nearly crying. The people at the gun school or whatever it's called tried to give her a certificate to buy a gun anyway.
Seriously, they were pushing it on her.
"No, really. You'll be fine. Try it again!"
No disrespect, but the gun people were right. Your sister over-reacted. Don't you think?
Manter
Lunch Mob
you may not react like that. Some of us are very aware we are holding in our hands the ability to kill someone quickly and from a distance and that's dangerous. A 'you should get over it' response is ridiculous. Wanting people to be able to to kill is one thing (and I disagree with your view)- wanting people to have to get over their objections and emotional reactions and accept the means to end a life is just bizarre
If you can't think straight and hold the gun steady, you're a danger to almost anyone within range except your target, sweetie.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
No, I don't think that at all. Hers was a normal reaction to the insane prospect of potentially being responsible for shooting and possibly killing another human being. Being numb to it is the abnormal reaction.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
I think after that class she realized that she had been letting paranoia take over her life, the class sort of shook her out of it and made her remember who she is, so something good came out of it in the end.
Manter
Lunch Mob
yes, absolutely this ^^
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Pistols are really really hard to shoot well and used to be responsible for the most accidents in the army.
My favorite was the "hero" who discovered if you cocked an empty browning you could fire a bic pen across the room.
He spent an hour amusing himself with this idea.
His mate came off sentry duty put a pen down the barrel of his loaded pistol and promtly shot his mate in the arm with a bic pen and a 9mm round!
My favorite was the "hero" who discovered if you cocked an empty browning you could fire a bic pen across the room.
He spent an hour amusing himself with this idea.
His mate came off sentry duty put a pen down the barrel of his loaded pistol and promtly shot his mate in the arm with a bic pen and a 9mm round!
I really don't want to think what the medics said about that.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I'll take a stab at this. You'll notice that almost all of these are perpetrated by men and mostly white men. I think out of 30 events like this, there was only one woman recorded as the shooter. I suspect that there's a sense of entitlement that comes from being a white man in a racist and sexist society. Since the empowerment of minorities and women, men have lost the automatic access they had to good jobs, education, and the power within society that goes with that. However, the expectation of material success is still there. When that expectation isn't met it has be hugely alienating.
(I'll admit that I could be completely full of shit here.)
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
There's always those two black dudes in Washington.
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