The American mass shooting thread

[pinkmonkey]

I'm in no way condoning shooting doctors, but I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. With how frustrating and expensive medical care is in the US, and the way that many people respond to frustration, I would expect more of this than there is.

As you mentioned earlier in this thread it’s the paywalled medical care that’s as much to blame as the easy access to guns. It’s so frightening.

 

[story]

Bit of a wrong target though, isn't it? It's the offices of medical insurance executives that they "should" be shooting up. Although in this instance it seems the murderer thought their surgeon fucked up.

You seem to be suggesting that a person who would want to shoot to death doctors and nurses because they’re upset about the way the American health industry is organised would bring logic to bear on the situation....?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Bit of a wrong target though, isn't it? It's the offices of medical insurance executives that they "should" be shooting up. Although in this instance it seems the murderer thought their surgeon fucked up.

It is, but I don't think anyone has tried to make the case that mass shooters are rational people. There's also the problem of not being able to actually get at the people who are responsible. Healthcare executives and the CEOs of insurance companies are removed from the point of providing care and that insulates them from their actions. They don't have to look people in the eye who have been denied care, are sick and in pain, or been bankrupted by the costs. They can rationalize away people who die because they can't afford insulin. Healthcare workers are just more accessible.

 

[8ball]

interview with a parent who got her kids out of the texas school. Police not so good.

about nine minutes - news

Gets even more dark (as if that could even be possible) at 4:30.

 

[bcuster]

new york times via yahoo; some new details from uvalde:

Uvalde Teacher Spoke With Husband, a Police Officer, Before She Died

UVALDE, Texas — In the final moments of her life, Eva Mireles, a teacher at Robb Elementary School, was on the phone with her husband, Ruben Ruiz, a school district police officer, the senior county official said Wednesday. They spoke for the last time from opposite sides of the school walls...

www.yahoo.com

 

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[8ball]

Same story as on previous page (the one on previous page has a lot more detail).

 

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ah apols, I hadn't watched that one

 

[8ball]

ah apols, I hadn't watched that one

It's not that obvious from the main pic that it's the same person tbf.
The one on previous page has a lot more description from the woman about what happened - it's much longer and worth a watch.

 

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[8ball]

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Which is why the AR-15 is specifically designated for law enforcement and the consumer market.

Also, a lot of hunters like it for the wide range of customiseable options and ability to take down a wounded animal with a quick follow-up shot.

 

[Humberto]

Which is why the AR-15 is specifically designated for law enforcement and the consumer market.

Also, a lot of hunters like it for the wide range of customiseable options and ability to take down a wounded animal with a quick follow-up shot.

What? lol

Set the women on Twitter?

You can't justify the unjustifiable. Christ.

 

[8ball]

What? lol

Set the women on Twitter?

You can't justify the unjustifiable. Christ.

Women on Twitter?

Wut you talkin' bout, Lewis?

 

[Humberto]

Women on Twitter?

Wut you talkin' bout, Lewis?

Willis?

 

[8ball]

Willis?

Willis! That's it. Old cracker barrel ain't what it used to me.

Anyway, everything else I said is correct.

 

[Humberto]

Willis! That's it. Old cracker barrel ain't what it used to me.

Anyway, everything else I said is correct.

Everything correct can't argue.

 

[Humberto]

Lewis

 

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Which is why the AR-15 is specifically designated for law enforcement and the consumer market.

Also, a lot of hunters like it for the wide range of customiseable options and ability to take down a wounded animal with a quick follow-up shot.

or take down an animal with a quick follow-up 45 shots/minute (or 60/600/1200? I've seen those quoted, too).

 

[8ball]

Everything correct can't argue.

Well, the AR-15 ain't a weapon of war.
Doesn't even get used in wars.
The US military does not use it.

Other militaries do not use it.

It is not a combat rifle. It is not an assault rifle.

It does get used by hunters.

 

[8ball]

or take down an animal with a quick follow-up 45 shots/minute (or 60/600/1200? I've seen those quoted, too).

60/600/1200 ??

 

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just from searching "ar-15 rounds a minute"

 

[8ball]

just from searching "ar-15 rounds a minute"

Ok, and what do those 3 numbers mean?

 

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that you could put quite a few animals out of their misery within a minute?

am willing to be corrected here: guns certainly aren't my specialist subject but even at 45 rounds a minute that's quite a few animals.

 

[krtek a houby]

DeSantis at it again. Keep an eye on this guy, he's a possible contender.

Ron DeSantis blocks funds for Tampa Bay Rays after team’s gun safety tweets

 

[8ball]

that you could put quite a few animals out of their misery within a minute?

am willing to be corrected here: guns certainly aren't my specialist subject but even at 45 rounds a minute that's quite a few animals.

Yeah 45 is about your maximum per min with an experienced shooter. That's a bit under a minute with a larger magazine size (20, 30 and 40 are common). There are illegal devices called bump stocks that can ramp this up massively, with some cost to accuracy.

I don't think these weapons should exist as consumer items btw - they are down to the gun industry taking the piss and working around the regulations as they come about. They even refer to some of them as "pistols" (these are weapons that you or I would not be able to distinguish visually from any other AR).

They are popular because they are a damn fine underlying design that allows you make a gun for the exact purpose you want (ie. you can make a great hunting rifle, something great for target shooting, and unfortunately something ideal for killing a lot of people in a short period).

It's all become so complicated that unless you think we can get to a point where guns in America can be banned in one go (I think we're further than that than ever), then we need (or need some people) to understand the nuances of the weapons industry and especially how the industry and NRA fineagle their way round attempts at regulation in order to improve things.

They do all of this on purpose.

 

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Interesting. I'm never going to get the nuances but the ability to kill 30 deer (or people or, in a school, kids) a minute with follow-up shots to make sure and put them out of their misery seems excessive to me. And in a crowd you don't need accuracy so the bump stocks will presumably increase the possible kill rate by a fair margin.

 

[8ball]

Interesting. I'm never going to get the nuances but the ability to kill 30 deer (or people) a minute with follow-up shots to make sure and put them out of their misery seems excessive to me. And in a crowd you don't need accuracy so the bump stocks will presumably increase the possible kill rate by a fair margin.

Yeah, the bump stocks are illegal anyway. The 30 deer a minute or 45 or whatever business just comes from the fact that you have to pull the trigger once for each bullet that comes out (when using legal weaponry), which is the case for loads of weapons (including semi-auto pistols - basically almost any pistol you see that isn't a revolver or musket).

 

[Nine Bob Note]

DeSantis at it again. Keep an eye on this guy, he's a possible contender.

$15M from Linda McMahon to declare professional wrestling an essential industry in the state of Florida at the start of the pandemic

 

[8ball]

$15M from Linda McMahon to declare professional wrestling an essential industry in the state of Florida at the start of the pandemic

Key workers.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Key workers.

Key independent contractors