The American mass shooting thread

[Ax^]

That Ted Cruz guy. I don’t get it. He’s like the most evil person ever who dresses like a nice guy and everyone believes it because he’s got a nice tie and I’m like screaming at the telly going IT’S HIM FFS!!!!

you think when he vanished to cancon during a state emergency in Texas they would of gotten with the programme

or when he stuck his tongue up trump's arse after he slag his wife off and remark his dad was involved with shooting JFK

but alas this is Texas republicans they like to be stood upon

 

[Ax^]

I like Chris Rock too, but in reality ammo is incredibly easy to make at home.

higher gun powered and primer cost would sort that out

easy access to ammo is a major problem in the states, saying you can make it at home is one of the first excuse the gun lobby being up to distract from gun control

 

[Pickman's model]

The 2nd amendment gives the right to bear arms, it says nothing about ammunition.

Perhaps you could develop this notion to make it persuasive. It seems to go rather against the notion of having a militia to withhold ammunition from it. Have you actually read the second amendment?

 

[8ball]

higher gun powered and primer cost would sort that out

Everyone knows how to make those too, via several methods. You'd basically need to re-engineer a bunch of basic products and make them significantly more expensive, and outlaw knowledge of chemistry.

 

[krtek a houby]

Everyone knows how to make those too, via several methods. You'd basically need to re-engineer a bunch of basic products and make them significantly more expensive, and outlaw knowledge of chemistry.

Everyone?

 

[Pickman's model]

Everyone?

It's within the skills of anyone able to follow clear instructions

 

[krtek a houby]

It's within the skills of anyone able to follow clear instructions

If they're into that kind of thing. Sure.

(Assembling, not instructions)

 

[8ball]

If they're into that kind of thing. Sure.

(Assembling, not instructions)

If they're not, someone nearby will be.
Ammunition control is sadly a fallacy. Guns are much harder to make than ammo. That's a much more feasible thing to control.

 

[chandlerp]

Perhaps you could develop this notion to make it persuasive. It seems to go rather against the notion of having a militia to withhold ammunition from it. Have you actually read the second amendment?

They're not an organised militia as stated in the 2nd amendment, they're a bunch of fucking bellends who shit themselves at the thought of not having a big gun.

 

[Pickman's model]

They're not an organised militia as stated in the 2nd amendment, they're a bunch of fucking bellends who shit themselves at the thought of not having a big gun.

I don't think you're putting your case in a way likely to persuade a callow youth let alone a republican senator

 

[chandlerp]

I honestly don't care

 

[Ax^]

Everyone knows how to make those too, via several methods. You'd basically need to re-engineer a bunch of basic products and make them significantly more expensive, and outlaw knowledge of chemistry.

aye but if you had to hand pack all you own ammunition everytime you want to kill someone going thru the hassle of making it or arranging it might give cool off time

plus some of these wanker blowing a hand off or 2 would be fun

 

[Pickman's model]

I honestly don't care

I thought that after four years and 83 pages we might have moved on from cartoon caricatures of gun owners but obvs I was wrong. It'd be nice if you were able to make an argument for your proposal but I see it was nothing more than a gauche attempt at a bon mot

 

[8ball]

aye but if you had to hand pack all you own ammunition everytime you want to kill someone going thru the hassle of making it or arranging it might give cool off time

plus some of these wanker blowing a hand off or 2 would be fun

You’d just buy some from your mate who makes it for fun. It really is too easy. It’s like vaping, people start with the easy to ise products that use the expensive cartridges, then move to buying fluids, then start mixing fluids themselves and are soon making fluids pretty much from scratch (aside from the nicotine).

 

[emanymton]

Don't forget there are over 300 million people living in the US, that's significantly more than the whole of Western Europe combined.

You might want to check your numbers there.

 

[8ball]

You might want to check your numbers there.

Not sure. Figures seem legit. About 200m in Western Europe, about 334m in the States.

 

[emanymton]

Not sure. Figures seem legit. About 200m in Western Europe, about 334m in the States.

1) what are you classing as western Europe?
2) that is not a significant difference in my opinion, in the context being discussed.

 

[Cat Fan]

For me it's all about controlling guns. Ignoring the US, just look at what one person did with guns in Norway in 2011 or one person in Christchurch NZ in 2019, vs what three people did in the London Bridge terror attacks who didn't have guns.

The scale of deaths involved is just ten times worse when powerful guns are involved.

 

[Ax^]

no one needs to own a assault rifle in their public life that's the problem in almost all these shootings

 

[Cid]

You mean you didn't even TRY TO CHECK whether he had violent tendencies??? You didn't even ASK the police or neighbours or LOOK on his social media accounts as to whether he had fantasies of killing people? You made a profit from selling someone a weapon that can shoot 45 rounds a minute, letting him go into a school and kill 45 children within 60 seconds and you didn't even check?

I put it to you Mr. Pickman that you just didn't care and that you're liable for the actions of that man Twenty years in the slammer please m'lud

State courts courts vary in how they appoint justices, but Texas specifically is via partisan elections. Their state supreme court is 100% republican. So in practice it would probably be more like 'Well, we sure appreciate that you upheld this young man's right to defend himself, just a shame how it turned out'. Well, except that they wouldn't give much of a fuck because they're probably deeply racist, but you get the idea.

 

[NoXion]

The thing that amazes me is how all the hoplosexual Qshits can keep screeching "false flag", and yet despite multiple schools getting shot up each year, for decades, there have been no significant or effective moves towards reducing the number of homicidal fascists acquiring weapons and committing acts of domestic terrorism.

So what are these supposed false flags meant to be achieving, then? Aside from facilitating reality denial?

 

[Pickman's model]

no one needs to own a assault rifle in their public life that's the problem in almost all these shootings

i think it's more things that are going on in their private lives that create the friction leading to shootings.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

i think it's more things that are going on in their private lives that create the friction leading to shootings.

Yes. But access to high power weapons certainly helps.

 

[Ax^]

aye like the old "knives kill people to"

aye but more slowly

 

[story]

no one needs to own a assault rifle in their public life that's the problem in almost all these shootings

But they do if it’s a matter of exercising their rights!
Sales of automatics went up a LOT as soon as there was discussion of restriction. No one really wanted one until it was suggested that no one could have one, then everyone wanted theirs.

ETA
As I’ve recounted on here before now: my dad confiscated an automatic rifle from his step son and hid it in his own closet. The stepson didnt own any guns but the instant there was debate about maybe restriting access to automatic rifles he went out and bought one. He had three young children at the time. He was showing it off, waving it around, and my dad took it away from him. He had no interest in guns other than occasional clay shoots with beer buddies, but he was going to exercise his rights dammit!

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

School shootings are mostly done by people under 18. This shooter got the guns for his 18th birthday.

Records show 70% of school shootings since 1999 have been carried out by people under 18: report

The suspect in this week's assault on a Texas elementary school purchased two AR-15-style assault rifles the day after he turned 18, authorities told the Houston Chronicle.

news.yahoo.com

If we can't get gun control, perhaps some parent control will work. Make the parents criminally responsible for allowing their children to use guns for anything other than hunting and target shooting. There was a case recently where the behavior of the parents was so egregious that the prosecutor charged them. Even if you only prosecute a few of the more serious examples, you'd put a scare through the rest into being more responsible in giving their children guns.

 

[Ax^]

aye you right it's an endless cycle in the states and atrocity cause people to talk about gun control

the gun lobbiest and the NRA whip of fever about it and people run out to buy more guns

And then the cycle repeats


why I post more guns will sort it all out on here

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

When I worked in Florida a few years ago I got in to a heated discussion with a local about gun control. He got particularly angry when I mentioned we didn't have these issues in the UK. Gun culture is that ingrained.

By contrast I spoke to the guys I was working with who were pro gun control, but they said the problem is now there are so many guns out there that it would be nigh on impossible to get them all back so it's all kinds of fucked up.

It is a cultural problem, but not just gun culture. It's the culture of thinking you can solve problems with violence. It's the automatic go-to for any problem and from our leaders, our ministers, on down.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

easy access to ammo is a major problem in the states, saying you can make it at home is one of the first excuse the gun lobby being up to distract from gun control

Restricting ammo won't help. Once you get into target shooting, the best way to get enough ammo to use for that at a price you can afford, is to reload your brass. Almost anyone with more than three guns is going to have the equipment to do that.

 

[Cid]

School shootings are mostly done by people under 18. This shooter got the guns for his 18th birthday.

Records show 70% of school shootings since 1999 have been carried out by people under 18: report

The suspect in this week's assault on a Texas elementary school purchased two AR-15-style assault rifles the day after he turned 18, authorities told the Houston Chronicle.

news.yahoo.com

If we can't get gun control, perhaps some parent control will work. Make the parents criminally responsible for allowing their children to use guns for anything other than hunting and target shooting. There was a case recently where the behavior of the parents was so egregious that the prosecutor charged them. Even if you only prosecute a few of the more serious examples, you'd put a scare through the rest into being more responsible in giving their children guns.

Honestly don't think that would be any more successful than any other attempts to use prison as a deterrent.

The solution as ever is give people stable homes, make psychiatric help open and accessible etc.