Ax^
Silly Rabbit
all that happenes in the states were this happens is gun ownership increases
oddly enough more gun is not solving the problems
but more gun will solve this
The American mass shooting thread
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all that happenes in the states were this happens is gun ownership increases
oddly enough more gun is not solving the problems
but more gun will solve this
ruffneck23
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When I worked in Florida a few years ago I got in to a heated discussion with a local about gun control. He got particularly angry when I mentioned we didn't have these issues in the UK. Gun culture is that ingrained.
By contrast I spoke to the guys I was working with who were pro gun control, but they said the problem is now there are so many guns out there that it would be nigh on impossible to get them all back so it's all kinds of fucked up.
By contrast I spoke to the guys I was working with who were pro gun control, but they said the problem is now there are so many guns out there that it would be nigh on impossible to get them all back so it's all kinds of fucked up.
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Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Trying to get the guns back off of all the gun nuts would probably provoke a civil war, but I can't see mild - moderate gun control measures with the focus on future buyers being enough.
America really is fucked.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Biden was last year talking about letting people sue gun manufacturers - apparently they're the only manufacturer that can't be sued in the US. That might stop the fuckers. He seems to have gone quiet on it though.
www.nbcnews.com
Biden wants to end gun-maker liability protections. That could sink the industry, advocates say.
“He wants to drive us out of business,” said Mark Oliva, a director at a firearm industry trade group.
www.nbcnews.com
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
This issue of gun control is complicated. These things don't happen because there is a lot of guns, they happen because a massively broken society produces broken people.
Buy while all societies are broken, they are broken in different ways and part of the way America is broken is in the relationship to guns and gun ownership. Any serious attempt to fix american society has to deal with that and part of it could be restricting ownership. But on its own that does nothing to address the real problems. It might help by making these cases less lethal, but don't I think it would make the less common.
Buy while all societies are broken, they are broken in different ways and part of the way America is broken is in the relationship to guns and gun ownership. Any serious attempt to fix american society has to deal with that and part of it could be restricting ownership. But on its own that does nothing to address the real problems. It might help by making these cases less lethal, but don't I think it would make the less common.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The sandy hook parents sued Remington Sandy Hook Families Settle With Gunmaker for $73 Million Over MassacreBiden was last year talking about letting people sue gun manufacturers - apparently they're the only manufacturer that can't be sued in the US. That might stop the fuckers. He seems to have gone quiet on it though.
Biden wants to end gun-maker liability protections. That could sink the industry, advocates say.
“He wants to drive us out of business,” said Mark Oliva, a director at a firearm industry trade group.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No I wouldn't, unless the store hadn't complied with local regulations (in which case the state should take action anyway). The cost in time, emotion and/or lawyer fees could be disproportionate to the satisfaction that might be gained
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Fair point, although it might discourage the other store owners from just selling guns to any random. Could lead to interesting discussions in court. "So you sold this man a lethal weapon, and you'd never met before, did no checks at all on his background or any history of violence. He could have been a mass murderer - in fact he IS a mass murderer - and you didn't care enough to make the most basic of checks?"
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
It would be great to establish a real precedent that gun manufacturers and sellers had a duty of care to the general public as well as to their customers. A class action?
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
If America produces broken people in the same proportion as other similar countries (which I have no idea if that is true), then the only factor that is at play is access to guns. Dozens of children being mown down with automatic weapons absolutely only happens because there are a lot of guns.
Cid
Proper break this time
Not a snowball's chance in hell with this supreme court.
It may be possible on a state level to some extent... As I recall California is trolling the supreme court by copy-pasting Texas' abortion fine law and applying it to the sale of assault weapons. Not sure what the current state of that is.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
As long as they say what you want them to say. But say I wanted to check if you had a history of violence, how would you expect me to proceed? It's not like a call to the cops or checking a criminal record would necessarily reveal such, esp for an eighteen year auld. Calling the cops might give a clean bill of health as violence or warning signs not necessarily reported to them
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I don't think they do produce them in the dame proportion they seem to produce more than moat western European countries at least.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There are a lot of guns. But few are automatic weapons. Those of us who recall the las Vegas massacre will remember the use of accessories, bumper stocks or whatnot, to turn semi-automatic weapons into effectively automatic ones.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
You mean you didn't even TRY TO CHECK whether he had violent tendencies??? You didn't even ASK the police or neighbours or LOOK on his social media accounts as to whether he had fantasies of killing people? You made a profit from selling someone a weapon that can shoot 45 rounds a minute, letting him go into a school and kill 45 children within 60 seconds and you didn't even check?
I put it to you Mr. Pickman that you just didn't care and that you're liable for the actions of that man
Twenty years in the slammer please m'lud 
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Please could you address your questions to the witness, counsel, and not to some random on the interwebYou mean you didn't even TRY TO CHECK whether he had violent tendencies??? You didn't even ASK the police or neighbours or LOOK on his social media accounts as to whether he had fantasies of killing people? You made a profit from selling someone a weapon that can shoot 45 rounds a minute, letting him go into a school and kill 45 children within 60 seconds and you didn't even check?
I put it to you Mr. Pickman that you just didn't care and that you're liable for the actions of that man
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
it harder to get a full automatic rifle in America but you can buy a semi automatic ar-15 cambered in. 5.68 NATO that with practise you can fire 3 rounds a second off the shelf
like the shooter did on his 18th birthday
also gun shows in America so not require background checks
like the shooter did on his 18th birthday
also gun shows in America so not require background checks
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Maybe you could expand on why you believe your proposal doesn't infringe the second amendment - how would you persuade the sixty senators required to pass it?
not-bono-ever
meh
Those senators who oppose it should be shot. It what they would have wanted
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
Don't forget there are over 300 million people living in the US, that's significantly more than the whole of Western Europe combined.
It's 100% access to guns that's the problem, not that there are disproportionately more violent people in the US. The evidence is well known.
Yossarian
⏭️
Washington Post has some background on the shooter - even with the gun culture in Texas, it seems mad that it apparently didn't raise massive red flags for people when this disturbed, violent 18-year-old bought assault rifles on his birthday and posted photos of them online.
Just a month or two ago, Garcia said, he called Ramos to check in on him. But Ramos said he was going hunting with his uncle and didn’t have time to talk. He hung up. Garcia later saw the photos of large guns that Ramos had posted online and wondered whether that was what they were for — going hunting, or to the shooting range with his uncle.
Just a month or two ago, Garcia said, he called Ramos to check in on him. But Ramos said he was going hunting with his uncle and didn’t have time to talk. He hung up. Garcia later saw the photos of large guns that Ramos had posted online and wondered whether that was what they were for — going hunting, or to the shooting range with his uncle.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I like Chris Rock too, but in reality ammo is incredibly easy to make at home.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
It's the tip of the iceberg effect, for every 1 successful mass shooter there will be 9 who are nearly successful and are stopped in time.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I'm sorry Mr. Model those are not valid legal points. You should have employed proper legal counsel.
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