The 2023 Russian Coup.

[Flavour]

I don't really see Wagner being able to defend Rostov from the incoming attack from the Chechens, secure Voronezh and make a move on Moscow all in one day, to be honest.

I mean, this is going to be a fatal blow to the Russian campaign in Ukraine either way -- because losing Wagner is not something they can really recover from, especially as the Ukraine counteroffensive gets going... but yeah I'm not really seeing Putin being defenestrated just yet

 

[SpookyFrank]

'Happy Military Reversal Day'

 

[maomao]

Footage on Russian telegram seems to show a lot of Chechen troops and armour heading towards Rostov.

e2a: DaveCinzano beat me to it.

So will the Russian army at Rostov roll over or fight Kadyrov's lot? They apparently let Wagner walk in. Does that indicate they don't want a fight or that they're actually with Wagner?

 

[tim]

I also have nothing to say, but I'm not going to let that stop me.

Yes, unlike you I am cognisant of my own ignorance, so I started the because I want to get the insight from those who actually know something I also thought it made sense for an event of this potential magnitude should be explored separately from the war in Ukraine.

It would be excellent if you and the armchair generals kept stumn, but I don't have high hopes.

 

[LDC]

This afternoon, I shall be dividing my time between laughing my tits off at Tankie Twitter, and deleting my posts that rubbished the idea that Progozin/Wagner were on the cusp of mounting a coup....

Any Tankie twitter gems to share? NATO's fault, CIA operation, all fake news?

 

[newme]

So will the Russian army at Rostov roll over or fight Kadyrov's lot? They apparently let Wagner walk in. Does that indicate they don't want a fight or that they're actually with Wagner?

Yeh saw a video of them just driving around the roadblocks and soldiers just stood there and watched them go

 

[Flavour]

It would be excellent if you and the armchair generals kept stumn, but I don't have high hopes.

get the fuck outta thread then

 

[SpookyFrank]

So will the Russian army at Rostov roll over or fight Kadyrov's lot? They apparently let Wagner walk in. Does that indicate they don't want a fight or that they're actually with Wagner?

It might well have been OMON or something rather than regular army. If so they'd not be equipped to resist a tank column whether they wanted to or not. If it was me I'd chuck my uniform in a bin and walk off in the opposite direction, whistling a merry tune as I went.

 

[spitfire]

It would be excellent if you and the armchair generals kept stumn, but I don't have high hopes.

oi! I'm on a sofa.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Eliot Higgins retweeted this - Little Green Men of hue unknown roadblocking outside Moscow:

 

[Flavour]

National guard are setting up machine gun nests on roads into Moscow and bringing in trucks of sand to make roadblocks.

Wagner laying mines on the road into Rostov from the South (from which direction the Chechens would presumably arrive)

I for one am glad we can all put that stupid submarine behind us once and for all.

 

[The39thStep]

speaking Yorkshire well it new one thrown my way
think it might be from me post from my phone more instead of a keyboard.


android spell check is terrible

will try to do better just for you steps

I merely wish to encourage you in your ambitions

 

[Raheem]

I for one am glad we can all put that stupid submarine behind us once and for all.

It's like the submarine was a metaphor for the Russian Federation.

 

[spitfire]

It's like the submarine was a metaphor for the Russian Federation.

There are memes.

Spoiler: see?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Pro-war Russian nationalists led by a former FSB security service officer said on Saturday they would soon publish a plan of action to respond to an armed mutiny by the Wagner mercenary group, Reuters reports.

Mercenary troops withdraw from Rostov as Prigozhin calls off rebellion – as it happened

The mercenaries’ chief said he had halted his troops to avoid ‘Russian bloodshed’, and he is not facing charges

www.theguardian.com

 

[The39thStep]

Ukrainian news is reporting that the Russians are mining bridges leading to Moscow.

Also that Wagner is breaking open prisons in Rostov and arming the inmates.

Take with the standard issue 'enemy propaganda' pinch of salt obviously.

Is this on the spot reporting by Ukrainian news reporters actually in Russia or just part of the world wide audience reading social media channels reposting and translating other stuff from many more smaller social media channels reposting stuff from a small myriad of people like Igor who is in his room trying to boost his followers to 25?

Not a crticism of you however I’d hazard a guess at this is how it works .

 

[bimble]

Too much news, can someone explain what they (Wagner leadership) want to achieve ? Have they said?

 

[Cid]

I don't really see Wagner being able to defend Rostov from the incoming attack from the Chechens, secure Voronezh and make a move on Moscow all in one day, to be honest.

I mean, this is going to be a fatal blow to the Russian campaign in Ukraine either way -- because losing Wagner is not something they can really recover from, especially as the Ukraine counteroffensive gets going... but yeah I'm not really seeing Putin being defenestrated just yet

That is going to depend on a huge number of things I think... Like that Kadyrov column has APCs and transports, no tanks. How quickly has Prigozhin managed to occupy defensive positions? Has he taken control of any air assets? Have any troops there fully defected to him? Has he got artillery with him? what other assets in Rostov has he taken control (it's the major staging post, so presumably plenty knocking about)?

Fuck being a civilian in Rostov for the next ? period of time tbh

 

[DaveCinzano]

Too much news, can someone explain what they (Wagner leadership) want to achieve ?

More efficient bin collections

 

[Cid]

Too much news, can someone explain what they (Wagner leadership) want to achieve ? Have they said?

Just that they want to get rid of Putin's bad advisors (i.e the heads of the MOD). Which is the starting justification of most coups.

 

[JimW]

Too much news, can someone explain what they (Wagner leadership) want to achieve ? Have they said?

Apotheosis?

 

[Throbbing Angel]

from Newsthump: Steven Seagal to sort this out any minute now

 

[Bingoman]

Looking on one of the other threads it looks as if Putins legged it

 

[Raheem]

There are memes.

Spoiler: see?

View attachment 380551

The investigators get it.

 

[Indeliblelink]

2021 - Russian Military is the 2nd strongest in the world.
2022 - Russian Military is the 2nd strongest in Ukraine.
2023 - Russian Military is the 2nd strongest in Russia.

nicked off twitter

 

[Flavour]

Wagner on the move to take over Borisoglebsk airfield in Voronezh, presumably to stop the helicopter/air attacks on their columns

Borisoglebsk (air base) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DaveCinzano]

** TRIGGER GRAUNING **

National guard are setting up machine gun nests on roads into Moscow and bringing in trucks of sand to make roadblocks.

According to this, a singular machine gun nest:

Russian soldiers have reportedly set up a machine gun position on the edge of Moscow, according to a Russian newspaper.

According to Reuters, Vedomosti Newspaper reported the gun had been set up at the southwestern edge of the city. The Kyiv Post, a Ukrainian newspaper, reported that trenches were being dug on the edge of Moscow.

Must be a really fucking good one

 

[kebabking]

DI on the sauce?

 

[two sheds]

If Wagner are mercenaries you'd wonder how they'll get paid now aside from looting.

 

[DaveCinzano]

If Wagner are mercenaries you'd wonder how they'll get paid now aside from looting.

The same as all the geopolitical big boys - from their vast stolen mineral and oil resources in Asia and Africa