The 2023 Russian Coup.

[The39thStep]

sounds like the town were the made the russia show 2 pints of vodka and a packet of crisps

Really dont wish to open old wounds but can you get your keyboard fixed or stop talking Yorkshire please

 

[The39thStep]

Looking at Google Maps traffic for Moscow is quite interesting ATM.

as one would on a Saturday morning

 

[RD2003]

I feel this needs to be separate from the Ukrainian War thread. For the moment I have nothing to say myself, but hope that those with a better understanding of the dynamics might be able to keep us up to date with the situation and some insight into the background.

I also have nothing to say, but I'm not going to let that stop me.

 

[Flavour]

Explosions reported at headquarters of Southern Military District HQ in Rostov (which was occupied by Wagner last night)

 

[DaveCinzano]

Putin reported to have had phone calls with the presidents of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan:

Mercenary troops withdraw from Rostov as Prigozhin calls off rebellion – as it happened

The mercenaries’ chief said he had halted his troops to avoid ‘Russian bloodshed’, and he is not facing charges

www.theguardian.com

Mercenary troops withdraw from Rostov as Prigozhin calls off rebellion – as it happened

The mercenaries’ chief said he had halted his troops to avoid ‘Russian bloodshed’, and he is not facing charges

www.theguardian.com

Presumably just last minute prep for their upcoming golf holiday

 

[DaveCinzano]

Kadyrov to the rescue!

Chechen leader offers to help put down Wagner mutiny

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said on Saturday his forces were ready to help put down a mutiny by Wagner mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin and to use harsh methods if necessary.

www.reuters.com

 

[Cid]

Sounds like Kazakhstan has told Putin to fuck off and no you can't borrow any of my security apparatus.

“Kassym-Jomart Tokayev noted that what is happening now is an internal problem of Russia. Constitutional order and the rule of law are the main conditions for maintaining the legal order in the country. This is the basis of society’s security and its successful development.

“Vladimir Putin thanked Kazakhstan for understanding the current situation in the Russian Federation.”

 

[Flavour]

I wouldn't put it past Kadyrov switching sides tbh

 

[RD2003]

The Russian advance on, err... Russia continues apace.

Russian AF blew up the fuel depot at Voronezh to stop Wagner getting the fuel so they can't get to Moscow.

Normal country.

Some posters, particularly those who have spent a lot of time there, have been arguing for a while that Russia is not a normal country when judged by western European standards.

Or at least I have.

 

[DaveCinzano]

So I guess they did get 10,000 off peak returns to Moscow?

 

[Flavour]

Updates may become a bit scarcer cos internet may be shut down in the affected areas.

Looks like there is fighting in Rostov

And prison riots in Moscow

 

[RD2003]

If armed conflict does reach Moscow, it will be the second time in the space of a mere 30 years (or the third if you include the small skirmishes that happened in August '91). Any unblinkered long-term visitor to the place could glimpse Russia's future even back then.

Facile optimism was the fashion, both in Russia and abroad, however.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Reuters wire apparently reporting that Russian air force engaging Wagner convoy outside of Voronezh:

Mercenary troops withdraw from Rostov as Prigozhin calls off rebellion – as it happened

The mercenaries’ chief said he had halted his troops to avoid ‘Russian bloodshed’, and he is not facing charges

www.theguardian.com

 

[kebabking]

This afternoon, I shall be dividing my time between laughing my tits off at Tankie Twitter, and deleting my posts that rubbished the idea that Progozin/Wagner were on the cusp of mounting a coup....

 

[BristolEcho]

I wouldn't put it past Kadyrov switching sides tbh

Wouldn't trust him to hold on to my drink without stabbing me in the back.

 

[SpookyFrank]

With resources like that to hand you have a shot at being the third or fourth most powerful actor in the region by day's-close

If my many years of playing Risk has taught me anything, it's to let other factions squander their resources fighting each other and then move in to clean up the scraps.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Don't panic! The cryptobros are on the case

 

[Flavour]

From Ukraine now telegram channel:

Moscow is preparing for a siege. All military equipment, which has so far remained in reserve and border regions, is being pulled into the city, - GUR The security forces received permission to: listening to any conversations and checking correspondence carrying out arrests and searches without additional approvals power access to private and office premises use of road transport of citizens and organizations disconnection of all types of communication "Removal of individuals from areas of terrain and objects."

Photos of trenches being dug ostensibly in Moscow outskirts

 

[DaveCinzano]

Never underestimate the naked ambition of Butlins PMC

two sheds - they have airmobile and missile resources ready to be deployed

 

[Ax^]

Really dont wish to open old wounds but can you get your keyboard fixed or stop talking Yorkshire please

speaking Yorkshire well it new one thrown my way
think it might be from me post from my phone more instead of a keyboard.


android spell check is terrible

will try to do better just for you steps

 

[DaveCinzano]

So Putin is basically seeking vengeance for his brother being defenestrated by John McClane..?

 

[ska invita]

If armed conflict does reach Moscow,

Can't see it

Reuters wire apparently reporting that Russian air force engaging Wagner convoy outside of Voronezh:

Mercenary troops withdraw from Rostov as Prigozhin calls off rebellion – as it happened

The mercenaries’ chief said he had halted his troops to avoid ‘Russian bloodshed’, and he is not facing charges

www.theguardian.com

Surely the column will be toast, can't imagine how it wouldn't be

 

[gosub]

Can we call it a civil war now?

Local Derby....don't want to upset the Tankies.

 

[RD2003]

Can't see it

Surely the column will be toast, can't imagine how it wouldn't be

Nor can I, but what I say still applies in terms of it being the second/third time there's been armed conflict within the elites in three short decades.

Like it or not, it does help explain why Russia has been governed by no-frills dictatorship most of the time.

 

[NoXion]

Is this a Ukraine "out" for Putin , I have to save my people from an internal coup (by folk I used for dirty work) so have to delay the "liberation" of Ukraine

If this is yet another galaxy brain move by Putin, then I can't say I'm confident it won't blow up in his face, just like his attempt to expedite the takeover of Ukraine back in February 2022.

 

[DownwardDog]

The mental agility involved in the media going from Wagner are a bunch of haggard drug addicts who can't take Bakhmut to Wagner are going to overthrow the government of the Russian Federation is really something.

 

[DaveCinzano]

No idea of the provenance of the video here, machine translated:

‘And here is the Akhamat [Kadyrovite special forces?] column itself going towards Rostov. The subscriber said that it stretched for several kilometers’



Via

 

[cupid_stunt]

Surely the column will be toast, can't imagine how it wouldn't be

Unless they take out the helicopters, there's reports they took three down yesterday/early today, they do have some anti-aircraft weaponry.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Footage on Russian telegram seems to show a lot of Chechen troops and armour heading towards Rostov.

e2a: DaveCinzano beat me to it.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Ukrainian news is reporting that the Russians are mining bridges leading to Moscow.

Also that Wagner is breaking open prisons in Rostov and arming the inmates.

Take with the standard issue 'enemy propaganda' pinch of salt obviously.