The 2023 Russian Coup.

[RD2003]

Too much news, can someone explain what they (Wagner leadership) want to achieve ? Have they said?

Wagner is waiting for the dust to settle after the Ukrainian anarchist communique.

Rumour has it that they're feeling a bit upstaged.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

From the BBC feed

"We are little-by-little running out of popcorn,” jokes Yuriy Sak, an adviserto Ukraine's defence minister.

 

[The39thStep]

If Wagner are mercenaries you'd wonder how they'll get paid now aside from looting.

Also get their weapons and ammo from the Russian Army

 

[Bingoman]

Quite worrying if true

 

[Pickman's model]

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DI on the sauce?

Let's hope that nothing happens to russia's nuclear weapons to interfere with this mirth

 

[Fez909]

What happened with the Belgorod Republic/Free Russia Legion - is that still a thing? Could it have been a Wagner front?

 

[Pickman's model]

Quite worrying if true

And coinciding with my post

 

[RD2003]

Prigozhin and Wagner cannot challenge Putin’s power directly, but they expose his weakening grip​

For Opinion, Keir Giles says the insurrection won’t stop the war, but a distracted Russia is good for the world.

Once again Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine has taken a turn he never expected. The Russian leader’s brief speech denouncing the Wagner group’s Yevgeny Prigozhin, and what appears to be a significant mutiny, showed he knows just how dangerous the situation could be for him – but if he has a convincing plan for how to deal with it, he didn’t share it.


Prigozhin and Wagner cannot challenge Putin’s power directly, but they expose his weakening grip
Keir Giles

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Also get their weapons and ammo from the Russian Army

Soon to be armed by NATO countries!

 

[Pickman's model]

Prigozhin and Wagner cannot challenge Putin’s power directly, but they expose his weakening grip​

For Opinion, Keir Giles says the insurrection won’t stop the war, but a distracted Russia is good for the world.

Once again Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine has taken a turn he never expected. The Russian leader’s brief speech denouncing the Wagner group’s Yevgeny Prigozhin, and what appears to be a significant mutiny, showed he knows just how dangerous the situation could be for him – but if he has a convincing plan for how to deal with it, he didn’t share it.

Prigozhin and Wagner cannot challenge Putin’s power directly, but they expose his weakening grip
Keir Giles

I suppose you agree with this as you post it without comment. But no matter how this goes we may find ourselves in a few months longing for the halcyon days of vp. Should prizoghin topple vp do you think what happens after will be any good for Ukraine let alone Russia or the rest of us?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Prigozhin and Wagner cannot challenge Putin’s power directly, but they expose his weakening grip​

For Opinion, Keir Giles says the insurrection won’t stop the war, but a distracted Russia is good for the world.

Once again Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine has taken a turn he never expected. The Russian leader’s brief speech denouncing the Wagner group’s Yevgeny Prigozhin, and what appears to be a significant mutiny, showed he knows just how dangerous the situation could be for him – but if he has a convincing plan for how to deal with it, he didn’t share it.

Prigozhin and Wagner cannot challenge Putin’s power directly, but they expose his weakening grip
Keir Giles

Hmmm. I'm suspicious of anyone who claims to know what any of this means yet.

 

[Cid]

Quite worrying if true

Gonna hazard a guess that actually using one requires a bit more than simply rocking up with a bit of know-how.

I hope.

 

[Pickman's model]

Gonna hazard a guess that actually using one requires a bit more than simply rocking up with a bit of know-how.

I hope.

Using one? What about losing one? Do you think that might be fun?

 

[RD2003]

I suppose you agree with this as you post it without comment. But no matter how this goes we may find ourselves in a few months longing for the halcyon days of vp. Should prizoghin topple vp do you think what happens after will be any good for Ukraine let alone Russia or the rest of us?

I justed posted it for information. It should be clear from what I've already said that I'm not optimistic about the outcome of all this.

 

[Cid]

Using one? What about losing one? Do you think that might be fun?

Well no, but I'd guess flogging off nukes isn't high on their list of priorities right now.

 

[two sheds]

Gonna hazard a guess that actually using one requires a bit more than simply rocking up with a bit of know-how.

I hope.

 

[RD2003]

Hmmm. I'm suspicious of anyone who claims to know what any of this means yet.

It was the headline really, which I thought might give pause for thought to posters who seem to be assuming that it's the endgame for Putin.

 

[Flavour]

Quite worrying if true

I posted about this before. It's the Borisoglebsk airfield. I think it's more likely that they are trying to take the airfield to stop strikes on Wagner units, not to seize nukes. But who knows

 

[Pickman's model]

I justed posted it for information. It should be clear from what I've already said that I'm not optimistic about the outcome of all this.

You're never optimistic about anything

 

[bimble]

Videos on twitter of lines of tanks for that other warlord the Chechen one heading in, shouting about Allah and going to fight the other lot. I can see why you’d be laughing if you were in Ukraine but otherwise idk.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well no, but I'd guess flogging off nukes isn't high on their list of priorities right now.

No indeed. But there's no shortage of people who might like to get their hands on one, and bad as things may be now chaos in Russia could make things far worse

 

[two sheds]

I assume Russia-friendly Chechen commanders were installed but wouldn't have thought the rank and file would be too grateful to Putin for what he did to them.

 

[maomao]

I assume Russia-friendly Chechen commanders were installed but wouldn't have thought the rank and file would be too grateful to Putin for what he did to them.

Equally might be happy to get shooting some Russians.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It was the headline really, which I thought might give pause for thought to posters who seem to be assuming that it's the endgame for Putin.

I haven't seen any posters suggesting it's the endgame for Putin, that's just in your head.

 

[spitfire]

This is the end game for Putin. Mark my words.

 

[RD2003]

I haven't seen any posters suggesting it's the endgame for Putin, that's just in your head.

Oh.

It could be that my view is coloured by the fact that earlier I was mansplaining, in a WhatsApp discussion with Mrs RD and her cousin, why this wasn't necessarily a good thing even for Ukraine fans like them.

 

[elbows]

Looking on one of the other threads it looks as if Putins legged it

Its totally standard for there to be all sorts of this sort of claim made in these situations, its standard propaganda.

Which is not to say that no such claim could ever be true, just that it is incredibly difficult to differentiate such propaganda from fact unless verifiable facts truly emerge and then stand the test of time.

 

[bimble]

Funds not an issue apparently !

Whether true or not him saying he’s got busloads of billions of cash to pay his fighters has to be a good move- will people defect and join ?

 

[not-bono-ever]

It might well have been OMON or something rather than regular army. If so they'd not be equipped to resist a tank column whether they wanted to or not. If it was me I'd chuck my uniform in a bin and walk off in the opposite direction, whistling a merry tune as I went.

OMON are experienced in booting unarmed civilians. That’s about it

 

[Flavour]

conflicting reports about Kadyrov units near Rostov -- they're apparently close, but stuck, and not moving. or something