The 2019 General Election

[alsoknownas]

Liked the split screen bit when they asked what foreign leader do you most admire when Corbyn was caught looking a bit 'eek' trying to think of one that wasn't a "commie"

Yeah I noticed that too .

Over all I thought he, quietly, smashed it though.

 

[treelover]

I find the whole Labour support thing fascinating, independently of what I personally think about it.

If you took a very Machiavellian and distinctly non-parliamentary approach to class struggle, then you've got some interesting questions to answer.

Would a Labour Party success at best placate the people and therefore further delay more meaningful change? Conversely, would a Tory win hasten a dramatic collapse of existing systems and therefore be a long term positive?

But simultaneously if the people can't even be convinced that Labour's if-you-prefer-a-milder-reform is necessary and positive even at this late juncture, then you've also got to address or recognise that the political landscape is really not aligned to whatever you're banging on about. Maybe you can explain that away as being a facet of the current system rather than true expression of goals but it's not the easiest of sells.

Immiseration never really works in the west, ask the RCP

 

[Duncan2]

blustercunt won't be happy with that performance.Broken record doesn't cover it.It is quite frightening to think that he could get a majority and actually start making his things happen.

 

[treelover]

"Leaving aside your own party preference, who do you think performed best overall in tonight’s debate?"

Boris Johnson - 51%
Jeremy Corbyn - 49%

(Figures rebased to exclude don't knows)

guardian, snapyougov(its always them) saying Johnson wins, just, ffs.

 

[MickiQ]

Apparently they're both going for a pizza in Woking later

And I am sure it will be so memorable they will still remember it in another 18 years

 

[treelover]

haven't seen it, but was JC heckled when he alluded to poor people in poorer countries,?

 

[Buckaroo]

The monarchy is beyond reproach ffs

 

[Rob Ray]

guardian, snapyougov(its always them) saying Johnson wins, just, ffs.

Better for Corbyn than I'd expect tbh, TV debates rarely change anyone's mind because they get played through the preconception filter, and live broadcast telly audiences skew older.

 

[alsoknownas]

guardian, snapyougov(its always them) saying Johnson wins, just, ffs.

I think you have to filter that through the prism of Johnson having a much higher popularity rating going into the debate. Allowing for pre-existing bias, that's probably a very good tilt for Corbyn I would have thought.

 

[neonwilderness]

Apparently they're both going for a pizza in Woking later

Then Boris will be sweating in Tramp

 

[agricola]

Liked the split screen bit when they asked what foreign leader do you most admire when Corbyn was caught looking a bit 'eek' trying to think of one that wasn't a "commie"

Would anyone of thought ill of him if he had said "Marshal Zhukov", though?

 

[Buckaroo]

Boris' Christmas present to Corbyn, a copy of his Brexit deal. Miserly cunt.

 

[treelover]

Revealing how Lib Dem messaging is so exactly aligned with Tory messaging post debate.

 

[treelover]

I watched the debate with someone who hasn't had a good word to say about Corbyn before and who expressed anger before now that he would be the reason we would get a Johnson government after the election. He is now delighted that Corbyn performed so much better than De Pfeffel Johnson, albeit surprised after believing so much propaganda beforehand. If people like that believe Corbyn came out as the more credible prospective PM, that's what counts.

CIF, straws in the wind?

 

[Tooter]

CCHQ is now "factcheckUK"

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Lily Allen quick off the mark on the rebrand

 

[Buckaroo]

Then Boris will be sweating in Tramp

He'll be sweating like Trump

 

[binka]

Would anyone of thought ill of him if he had said "Marshal Zhukov", though?

He should have said Maduro for a laugh

 

[xenon]

haven't seen it, but was JC heckled when he alluded to poor people in poorer countries,?

It was in response to a question about climate change. He said it's the biggest issue facing the world. People abroad suffering, eratic weather... Was going on to talk about the rain here and sort of geering, harrumphing, comments of "come on" cut across.

 

[treelover]

You gov poll, drill down, Corbyn more likeable, more in touch than Johnson!

 

[Tooter]

I'm quite surprised Corbyn let him off on the 'labour ruined the economy' line when the information is widely available that national debt has skyrocketed under the Tories. It's quite clear neither government is managing to get a grip of the economy or national debt.

Also irritating how many times the SNP and Sturgeon were mentioned, would have been good to maybe have the third largest political party in the UK present. I'm sure they would have had a few things to say.

 

[killer b]

neither government is managing to get a grip of the economy or national debt.

there hasn't been a Labour government to get a grip of the economy or national debt for almost 10 years tbf.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Honestly, the whole thing was a complete waste of time, even if a waste of a couple of hours on a dull Tuesday evening is reasonable. But I could have read a book or at least watched some Netflix.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Well that was fucking turgid and, as someone else posted, toe curlingly bad when they were asked to ‘look at each other and shake hands’ Ugh

definite points win for jezza and his bizarrely wonky bins, but no game changers

 

[danny la rouge]

Honestly, the whole thing was a complete waste of time, even if a waste of a couple of hours on a dull Tuesday evening is reasonable. But I could have read a book or at least watched some Netflix.

I went to the library and heard a crime fiction writer I’ve never read drop names I’ve mostly never heard of. It was much better than I imagine the debate was.

 

[Spymaster]

Honestly, the whole thing was a complete waste of time, even if a waste of a couple of hours on a dull Tuesday evening is reasonable. But I could have read a book or at least watched some Netflix.

Masterchef was excellent.

 

[8115]

Can you watch the debate on catchup? I can't find it.

 

[danny la rouge]

Can you watch the debate on catchup? I can't find it.

It was ITV, so it’ll be your ITV region’s catch up service I’d guess. (I find the STV one murder to use, so I don’t).

 

[Tooter]

 

[SpineyNorman]

I went to the library and heard a crime fiction writer I’ve never read drop names I’ve mostly never heard of. It was much better than I imagine the debate was.

This evening I have had a violently unpleasant shit and caught the last 10 minutes of the debate. The shit was the highlight of the night.

 

[8115]

It was ITV, so it’ll be your ITV region’s catch up service I’d guess. (I find the STV one murder to use, so I don’t).

It's ok, Newsnight are ripping through the highlights.