The 2019 General Election

[brogdale]

the Best for Britain MRP thingy has figures of 31 tory, 25 labour and 21 libs, so I can imagine that poor deluded Jo thinks they could have a change there.

Either Swinson looks weak and not in control of events or she looks psychopathically tribal.
Good stuff.

 

[Humberto]

To think we could be shortly rid of the self-serving Tory cunts. Labour won't do it as it stands; hearts and minds have to be won. Whatever it takes. Therefore it follows it can be done. Deal with the SNP and they won't be far off.

They do need to preach beyond the choir though. There is no other way to win. How would that look? : Offer people a vision of the future that includes them. Tell the truth.

 

[Raheem]

Offer people a vision of the future that includes them. Tell the truth.

Think we may be in an era where you have to lie to be believed.

 

[chilango]

The risible "Remain Alliance" continues to self-destruct...

More random Greens announcing their resignations on Twitter and the Express has Caroline Lucas as saying:

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“The position of revoke, at that point I just felt that this is taking party interest above national interest to such an unforgivable degree.

“To be honest, if you wanted to send a message to 17.4 million people that you don’t give a f*** what they have just said, why don’t you just say so?”

 

[danny la rouge]

hearts and minds have to be won. Whatever it takes. Therefore it follows it can be done.

This is “begging the question”. Just repeating the first bit in different words. And putting something like “therefore” in between. It was frosty because of the iciness. It doesn’t tell us how; it begs the question.

/flails away at losing battle

 

[Pickman's model]

Think we may be in an era where you have to lie to be believed.

Put Johnson on his deathbed and let's see if he can be believed

 

[strung out]

Put Johnson on his deathbed and let's see if he can be believed

 

[SpackleFrog]

No, I'm being patronising.

And it is basically the same position on Brexit this time around - negotiate a better version still based around the six tests. They've just added the public vote now.

You might think you're being patronising but you sound like you think the six tests and this godawful second referendum is somehow the articulation of the social democratic form of Brexit Wilf was referring to. Or that is a better position than they had in 2017. Which, you can't be, because we all recognise the six tests were bloody stupid and in no way an articulation of a vision on Brexit. And we all recognise the second ref thing has been and is disastrous. Right?

But most of those concerns weren't really anything to do with our relationship with the EU - except for around immigration. The decades of under-investment and deindustrialisation that fucked those communities and led to the breakdown in community weren't caused by the EU. They are being addressed by the rest of Labour policy, policy that would (and could) be implemented whether in the EU or not.

Nearly 1300 pages in and you've learnt nothing. You're no better than teuchter, in fact you're worse. Arrogantly vomiting up nonsense. Once a swappy, always a swappy.

 

[SpackleFrog]

the full brexit lot and paul mason

What do they matter? Clutching at straws.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Very easy for us to say. It's almost impossible to really have a clear view of it though, so I won't.

How pious of you!

 

[SpackleFrog]

So, you're talking about framing everything as bring about Brexit? Because Labour have been talking, explicitly and overtly, about being on the side of those communities, whatever the result of Brexit. They've been saying they'll invest in those communities, they'll give money for hospitals, social care, flood defences, etc etc, whatever the outcome. The gains for those communities from Brexit are quite marginal, and the priorities for them can be carried out whether we are a member of the trading bloc or not.

Marginal gains. Fucking hell.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Labour being fully gung ho for Brexit wouldn't change that.

Nobody argued it would.

 

[Humberto]

This is “begging the question”. Just repeating the first bit in different words. And putting something like “therefore” in between. It was frosty because of the iciness. It doesn’t tell us how; it begs the question.

/flails away at losing battle

Agree.

 

[elbows]

Tories have selected elphicke's wife for dover. I know she isn't the one accused of sexual assault but ffs.

A pattern forms....

Sexting politician's wife chosen as Tory candidate

The wife of a former Conservative MP, who sent sexual messages to two female constituents, has been selected as the candidate for his seat.

Andrew Griffiths, 49, announced he was standing down from frontline politics, would not seek his party's nomination, and was backing Kate Griffiths.

She was selected as the Tory candidate for Burton and Uttoxeter on Thursday.

 

[brogdale]

A pattern forms....

Sexting politician's wife chosen as Tory candidate

#ToryWives...so loyal.

 

[SpackleFrog]

#ToryWives...so loyal.

Or at least keen to keep it in the family.

 

[brogdale]

Or at least keen to keep it in the family.

Let's face it; collectively they're attracted to venal psychopaths...so...

 

[Pickman's model]

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[strung out]

 

[Badgers]

Surprisingly strong support for rail nationalisation from YouGov survey today

 

[ska invita]

Surprisingly strong support for rail nationalisation from YouGov survey today

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I remember support for being in the 70s if not 80s not long ago... Suggests support has fallen? Or yougov anomaly, or other stat 'truths'

 

[Mr Moose]

Marginal gains. Fucking hell.

It’s a Parliamentary election to run the state. I’d bite your arm off for some marginal gains.

 

[binka]

Surprisingly strong support for rail nationalisation from YouGov survey today

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I tried googling what % of the country regularly takes the train. I found a yougov page from 2018
Four in ten Brits haven’t set foot on a train in the last 12 months | YouGov
It says 39% of people haven't taken a train in 12 months. Coincidentally on your graphic 38% of people oppose renationalisation or don't know.

I regularly take the train around greater Manchester and it would be hard to explain to a non train user how utterly shit the service is.

 

[Dogsauce]

Last time round Labour had activists flyering at railway stations, think it’s a good tactic. Should use the phrase ‘Take back control’ too just for the lols.

 

[belboid]

What do they matter? Clutching at straws.

Seriously? Appearing regularly on the media, having the ear of various labour party leading figures. They matter a tad more than as couple of feckers arguing on the internet, or than a small spilt from the Socialist Party.

The rest of your pots are high on indignation but low on anything specific. Generic criticisms of the EU don't really count for much, certainly not compared to actual investments are promising stay or leave.

 

[BoxRoom]

Has anyone else received this bollocks email from what looks like a particularly patronising children's telly host?
https://view.e.bbcmail.co.uk/?qs=29...d5dc216c2832d9c6c4844ebda18437693389561d1f485

etc...

 

[Teaboy]

I tried googling what % of the country regularly takes the train. I found a yougov page from 2018
Four in ten Brits haven’t set foot on a train in the last 12 months | YouGov
It says 39% of people haven't taken a train in 12 months. Coincidentally on your graphic 38% of people oppose renationalisation or don't know.

I regularly take the train around greater Manchester and it would be hard to explain to a non train user how utterly shit the service is.

Agreed. You'd really need to see some decent polling for people who actually use trains. Our new franchise (South West Railway) are taking the Southern approach in seeing the running of trains as a terrible interference in their day to day business of trying to rinse as much money as possible. Only a year or so back a cancellation was a rare thing now its the norm and that's not to mention all the delays. To top it all they've so fucked over their employees that the union has called a virtually month long strike in December.

Absolutely dismal service.

 

[belboid]

It is slightly pleasing that facebooks demographic targeting is so bad it is currently promoting (paid) content from Parent's Choice to me. Defending the right to public schooling is obviously a key issue for everyone I know.

 

[teuchter]

Surprisingly strong support for rail nationalisation from YouGov survey today

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Would be more interesting to see what the support would be for better funding, which would have a vastly greater effect on the quality of rail services than nationalisation would.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Should throw in strict price tariffs on Upper Crust and those cornish pasty shops alongside the renationalisation, would be in the high 90%s among regular train users then