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Lib Dems are already doing this, using image of Borias in Falange's pocket.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
But, that's based on the idea the BP is going to stand in all Labour seats, Farage hasn't committed to doing that, and I doubt he will, considering his stated top priority is to avoid a hung parliament.
the manifesto launch and response will be a key indicator.
So, so transparent.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
On 1 it’s already lost 2015 voters and it’s new policy of a ‘People’s Vote’ has yet to be put to the electorate. So it’s purely speculative but it wouldn’t be a massive surprise if further leave voters gets desert them now.
On 2, you are right - I did. But even so these are relatively big numbers (albeit in small turnouts)
Finally. I don’t know where you live, but in the West Midlands Bexit is likely to be a bigger issue than in 2017. Then, a lot of people (including Labour voters) assumed it was settled and voted on other issues. Given what’s happened since this won’t be the case this time round.
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
That might well be a factor, it's true, but technically Labour are still committed to negotiating their own Brexit deal and hopefully that will be in the manifesto and not too hideously undermined by the Labour right.
Hopefully.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Hmmm. Wouldn't bet on it.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It’ll be interesting to see how labour portrays its own policy for sure. To date, the policy has not been communicated clearly and precisely because shadow cabinet ministers have clouded the issue with their own spin/position on it
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Yeah, I agree it's a mess. But I think as long as Corbyn can get across that he doesn't want to cancel Brexit, the rest of the bullshit won't matter too much and hopefully they won't lose too many voters to the BP and that even if they do it won't be on the scale that Southern Tories lose votes to the Lib Dems.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Yes, in a two stage process as mentioned by others.
Or put another way, whatever happens in the end needs to have a majority. If >50% of voters chose no deal at the first stage then we go with that. If not, then you look for a majority on a choice between the two highest polling options.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Interesting. How would you feel if no deal won?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Maybe there needs to be a bit more honesty about what 'no deal' means. It means 'crash out, period of chaos, then a deal'. It doesn't mean 'no deal' at all. A massive amount of bollocks has been spouted on this issue (not aimed at you particularly), as if crashing out were the end of the process rather than just a really crap way to start it.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
You're not really answering the question.
In any case, I am sure during the referendum campaign this point could be made.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I answered the question upthread. 'no deal' can't in good faith be put in a referendum as an option. Those charged with enacting it would use the ref result as cover to avoid responsibility for the shit that would be its consequence.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Could people take the discussion about a second referendum, which appears highly unlikely anyway, to the brexit thread?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
The peerage claim seems a bit weird/off message. Farage is basically saying "I'm not going to stand everywhere to help Johnson win, but that guy was so desperate he offered me a peerage, which I turned down because I don't want it."
Agree its probably as much about pressure from activists and financial pressure as much as anything.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
That sounds a bit like you think it would win. And probably lots of people would be worried it would win, and wouldn't want it on the ballot paper. Which is why it won't work teuchter.
Sorry.
I'm sure - my only point there was that a 'leave seat' covers a lot of different types of seat, with lots of different things in play - you can't generalise about them in the way you were doing.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Green candidate stands down and throws support behind Labour
A Green candidate in Bristol has stood down and backed labour in an apparent fuck you to her party's 'remain alliance' bullshit.
A Green candidate in Bristol has stood down and backed labour in an apparent fuck you to her party's 'remain alliance' bullshit.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
What are you basing that on?
Anecdotally, although in my city (Nottingham) most people voted leave, few people are that bothered about it compared to various other issues. Brexit or no Brexit the city will return 3 Labour MPs as it always does and Broxtowe next door is likely to swing to Labour as well.
strung out
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Tom is a good friend of mine - he said he was going to use the money he saves from his Green Party subs to renew his membership of IWW.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Awesome, they could’ve run a picture of the guy the story actually refers to, but went instead with a headline image of the pretty blonde labour candidate and lower down the page, three attractive female members of the Green Party leadership.
Article edited by an old bloke in a raincoat, no doubt.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
There are lots of different types of leave seats. Posh ones in the south of England, rural ones, coastal ones and those in deindustrialised towns in the Midlands, North and Wales.
But it’s entirely legitimate to ask a) the extent to which Labour’s policy shift on Brexit will affect its vote in all of these type of seat and b) if a ‘leave alliance’ where one leave candidate from the BP/Tories runs against Labour what the effect would be and also what happen if the BP/Tories are both competitive in these type of seats.
I‘ll also be interested to see how Labour candidates who voted for Johnson’s deal like Lisa Nandy do.
You seem to take the view that these aren’t significant points. We will have to disagree
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
According to a yougov survey brexit is the biggest issue, we could take that with a pinch salt, but the lead is massive.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Bearing in mind remain has been ahead in the polls for some time now some recalibration of what constitutes a 'leave seat' is required, even for those who insist on running with the idea that nobody is voting about anything besides the EU in this election.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Anecdotal too, also feedback from Labour Party members who’ve been out and about in the Black Country and other peripheral places around the City. I’ve got no doubt Labour will do well in Birmingham, even though it narrowly voted leave. But the election isn’t going to be won or lost in the cities.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Despite my deep misgivings about their recent absurd action on public transport; props to XR, increasing the environment % to that extent in the context of all else falling away in the face of Brexit...impressive.
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
The reason that nobody has done that type of ‘recalibration’ is because the remain ‘lead’ is too marginal for it to be considered significant. In fact it’s lower than the ‘lead’ it had before the referendum
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
You can't use inverted commas three times in a two-sentence post it just looks silly.
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