littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That sounds like effort. Can't we just do something that doesn't involve any effort, please? Or expense. Or inconvenience.Plant more trees. Ideal time of year for collecting seeds.
The 2019 General Election
- Thread starter brogdale
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The manifesto isn't out yet tbf
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Perhaps not likely to make much difference while the Green Party are trying to ensure the Tories get in again.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
people who say 'joined-up thinking' will end up in the nether regions of gehenna
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yeah, I'm not convinced there is even a greener capitalism to be had, but pushing a green new deal has potential to get beyond brexit. Maybe to superficially at least, get beyond the brexit divide amongst labour's vote. In fact labour are so weak on brexit, strategically, everything should focus on the green and social democratic possibilities of a post brexit world. Bit late for all that though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
we better hope there's a greener capitalism because at least some of the responses necessary to prevent an utterly horrific future* will have to be undertaken under capitalism
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*i know that for a lot of people esp in the global south things are horrific at present: but i suspect this is little in comparison to the horrors which lie ahead should things go entirely pear-shaped.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Is that policy evidence based?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Going for the low hanging fruit, there?
Has this not come up yet? I'm curious what impact this might have - it's been seen by probably 3-4 million people now (at least), but - while he's contradicting his own government's policy and the treaty he's just negotiated with the EU - he's not really saying anything that isn't widely desired/spoken about among brexit supporters. Is it likely to actually improve his polling?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Or... not letting people vote again, in case they get the answer 'wrong'.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Not a man to let actual facts bother him much
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
I learned on the Brexit thread that this is small fry compared to the horrors of Dagenham.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Yeah that isn't an actual campaign though is it? Whereas the People's Vote campaign to ask people again until they get it right is.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Scary thing is that it is calculated. He knows he's lying. He knows a fair few people listening know he's lying. But he doesn't care, and he'll spread lie upon lie upon lie, and when he calls out someone else for lying when they're not, he'll point at himself and say 'you know there are lots of lies out there, so who knows if this is another one or not'.
He lies all the time, its like a compulsion. He doesn't care if they're really obvious lies, he even lies when he doesn't have to. Its like that time he was asked about hobbies and he started lying about building model buses. I mean, he didn't have to tell the full truth and say 'booze, cocaine and casual racism'. He could have said watching sport and stuff which is true, but lying is just an automatic thing to do.
Its just what he does. He lies all the time and has betrayed everyone who he has ever come into contact with. If someone told him they could guarantee he would win the election but he'd have to run a far left administration and cancel brexit he'd be singing the internationale and hugging Donald Tusk within seconds. He cares for nothing except himself yet there are still a lot of people who look at him and go ' that's my guy, I trust him to get it all sorted'. It just shows how easy life is for narcissists because people are drawn to them for some reason.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Apparently Paul Mason has applied to be Labour candidate in Hall Green Birmingham.
O Jesus fucking Christ. I am watching Kier Starmer right now and almost weeping at the sheer incompetence. Clutching his little fists together, stammering witlessly - what the fuck is the matter with him? Is this really the best LP can do? I am mortified. The most cringingly clueless wittering - I could write and deliver a better response myself...
teuchter
je suis teuchter
There are people arguing against a second referendum, and there are people arguing for it.
You characterise the latter as "asking people again until they get it right". By the same token I could characterise the former as "not letting people vote again in case they get it wrong".
There's one of those approaches that lets people choose, and one that doesn't. The only right answer is the one people choose.
I wasn't sure about a second referendum for a while because of the difficulties of deciding what the options would be. Now it's rather clearer what the 'deal' is. So let people choose: deal, no-deal or remain.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
But didn't his little face light up when he asked about being leader.
maomao
普費斯
There's an outside chance of a second ref. There's fuck all chance of a second ref with no deal on the ballot.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Hahahaha
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I see they are banging the Hindu - Muslim drum again:
British Hindus urged in WhatsApp messages to vote against Labour
British Hindus urged in WhatsApp messages to vote against Labour
Pure genius!
SpineyNorman
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And he appears to be the best the Labour centrist have to offer lol
Supine
Newt Member
who do the labour left have?
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