The 2019 General Election

[Pickman's model]

There hasn't been an election this close to Christmas since 1918, I'm surprised the Tories want to have one at a time of year when people are talking about peace on Earth and goodwill to all men - wouldn't they do better in January when everybody's miserable and grumpy?

they want to destroy what remains of the yule spirit so it's no surprise they're angling for an election at that time

 

[Smokeandsteam]

There hasn't been an election this close to Christmas since 1918, I'm surprised the Tories want to have one at a time of year when people are talking about peace on Earth and goodwill to all men - wouldn't they do better in January when everybody's miserable and grumpy?

They don't - they want to expose that the opposition parties don't want one and are 'blocking Brexit'.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'll admit, my first thought on reading it was that it should be "fewer and fewer", not that there should be more public buildings available for use.

Is this a demonstration of the effects of aging, or have I just spent too much time exposed to the pedants of Urban?

yes

 

[not-bono-ever]

I Remember that Blair discussed with the BoE joining the Euro during jubilee year as everyone would be in a good mood and summer

 

[Yossarian]

they want to destroy what remains of the yule spirit so it's no surprise they're angling for an election at that time

At some point, Johnson's probably going to claim he was visited by the terrifying Ghost of Brexit Past, until someone tells him that was just Jacob Rees-Mogg.

 

[andysays]

I Remember that Blair discussed with the BoE joining the Euro during jubilee year as everyone would be in a good mood and summer

I've just heard on the radio that pub opening hours will be extended to celebrate the 75th anniversary of VE day. If we can just hold on till next May for the GE...

 

[The39thStep]

I've just heard on the radio that pub opening hours will be extended to celebrate the 75th anniversary of VE day. If we can just hold on till next May for the GE...

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[andysays]

Interesting article here

Winter election: What difference does it make?

The first election I can remember was February 1974, notable mostly for the fact that I got a day off school

 

[PR1Berske]

Sunset on the 12 December is 1553, six hours before polling stations close at 2200. That could be very important in respect to turnout, particularly vulnerable groups and the elderly.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Typical LibDems, having pushed for the Fixed Term Parliaments Act during the coalition years, they are now plotting with the SNP to circumvent it.

The Lib Dems and the SNP intend to introduce a short amendment to the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, which would specify the polling day for the next election as 9 December.

Mr Johnson's plan for an election would require the agreement of two-thirds of MPs, under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act rules for calling an early general election.

The Lib Dem and SNP amendment to the act would only need a simple majority, if they can get the Parliamentary time for it to be debated.

Lib Dems and SNP push for earlier election

 

[Supine]

Typical LibDems, having pushed for the Fixed Term Parliaments Act during the coalition years, they are now plotting with the SNP to circumvent it.



Lib Dems and SNP push for earlier election

I'm trying not to be pedantic but they aren't circumventing it. It's being changed to allow an election. The interesting bit is - will anyone add voting rights for 16-17 yr olds...

 

[brogdale]

I'm trying not to be pedantic but they aren't circumventing it. It's being changed to allow an election. The interesting bit is - will anyone add voting rights for 16-17 yr olds...

As in to find a way around?
Well, that's exactly what they're doing wrt to the provisions of the FTPA; can't see what you're pulling up cupid_stunt for?

From the BBC:

 

[cupid_stunt]

The interesting bit is - will anyone add voting rights for 16-17 yr olds...

Unlikely, because there wouldn't be enough time to register them.

 

[andysays]

Unlikely, because there wouldn't be enough time to register them.

I don't think we should rule out anything at this stage simply because it's completely impractical and couldn't be achieved in the time scale necessary

 

[kebabking]

I don't think we should rule out anything at this stage simply because it's completely impractical and couldn't be achieved in the time scale necessary

Indeed. One thing that the last 3 years should have taught everyone is that the Emperor walks the Land, and that his Powers are Mighty...

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed. One thing that the last 3 years should have taught everyone is that the Emperor walks the Land, and that his Powers are Mighty...

one thing that the last 3 years should have taught everyone is that mps are particularly stupid and are the last people who should be given any influence over the government of the country

 

[cupid_stunt]

BREAKING NEWS - if the government loses the vote under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act this evening, they will bring forward their own bill, similiar to that proposed by the LibDems & SNP, in order to circumvent it.

 

[Pickman's model]

BREAKING NEWS - if the government loses the vote under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act this evening, they will bring forward their own bill, similiar to that proposed by the LibDems & SNP, in order to circumvent it.

wouldn't the speaker, the redoutable bercow, simply rule it out of order?

 

[danny la rouge]

wouldn't the speaker, the redoutable bercow, simply rule it out of order?

We are of course now in the Delphic Expanse, where the normal laws of physics don’t apply. And it’s not clear whether warp drive is working. So who knows?

 

[cupid_stunt]

wouldn't the speaker, the redoutable bercow, simply rule it out of order?

I see no reason why he should, it would be a new separate bill & totally different vote.

Bercow goes on Thursday anyway.

 

[Pickman's model]

I see no reason why he should, it would be a new separate bill & totally different vote.

Bercow goes on Thursday anyway.

i refer the honourable gentleman to the bit about 'this evening' in post 107

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is there a more useless piece of legislation than the FTPA? It was the libdems' idea, too, and they now support measures to subvert it?

 

[cupid_stunt]

i refer the honourable gentleman to the bit about 'this evening' in post 107

Yeah, if they lose the vote this evening, they will bring forward their own bill, no notice has been given as to when they would do that, yet.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, if they lose the vote this evening, they will bring forward their own bill, no notice has been given as to when they would do that, yet.

Not sure how this stops the speaker ruling it out of order

 

[cupid_stunt]

Not sure how this stops the speaker ruling it out of order

Well, firstly, it would be a totally different vote, on a new bill, so I can't see how he can rule it out of order.

If, in the unlikely event he did, they could bring it back after he's gone.

 

[elbows]

Is there a more useless piece of legislation than the FTPA? It was the libdems' idea, too, and they now support measures to subvert it?

When it was brought in, I saw it as simply being there so that the press did not speculate about the coalition collapsing from the moment it was formed. That and providing a clear timetable to stop either coalition partner from electioneering at each others expense prematurely.

It served its purpose with the above. I am glad it caused unintended problems years later.

 

[brogdale]

When it was brought in, I saw it as simply being there so that the press did not speculate about the coalition collapsing from the moment it was formed. That and providing a clear timetable to stop either coalition partner from electioneering at each others expense prematurely.

It served its purpose with the above. I am glad it caused unintended problems years later.

I seem to remember at the time that there was quite a deal of comment about how the FTPA was really introduced to assuage LD fears that the tories might destabilise the coalition when it suited them to. It was introduced as an 'insurance policy' for the junior partner. And, tbf, the LDs (along with Labour) had actually proposed a FTPA in their 2010 manifesto(s).

 

[sleaterkinney]

They don't - they want to expose that the opposition parties don't want one and are 'blocking Brexit'.

Surely now is the time for Corbyns sitting on the fence tactic to bear fruit?.

 

[Badgers]

Disgraced Prime Minister Johnson seems annoyed with the result.

Was that not a Tory/Cameron change to voting policy?

 

[cupid_stunt]

The joy of seeing Anna Soubry on Sky News getting all upset about a December election, knowing she will be out of a job.