The 2019 General Election

[DexterTCN]

Unless I'm missing something (not the first time) there's nothing there to say an MP representing a non-English constituency can't be PM, merely that non-English MPs can't vote on exclusively English laws.

It's almost like DexterTCN is talking nonsense, or something

Well everyone else has known about it since 2014, you found out about it this morning.

Mull it over...in the united kingdom parliament there is a law in place to make sure only those in english seats can be prime minister. No Scots, Welsh or NI.

In the UK parliament.

 

[danny la rouge]

andysays Here's Boris muddying the waters recently: Tory leadership: Boris Johnson says 'sorry' for saying a Scot can't be PM

Quite how much you can trust anything he says at any time is very much up to the reader’s discretion. But he’s now saying that what he said previously wasn’t what he said. And if it was, he’s sorry.

 

[DexterTCN]

But at least it gives the rest if us a cheap laugh

We're used to it.



tick tock.

 

[maomao]

The news in Scotland at the time was full of MPs and ministers commenting (variously approvingly or disapprovingly) that the implication was very much that no MP for a Scottish constituency could now be PM. It may not have hit radars south of the border, but it certainly did here.

But as I say, that aspect has yet to be tested.

I certainly remember it being mentioned but as you can imagine most English people didn't really give two hoots about it. Luckily it's not evel stopping Jo Swinson becoming PM.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The last two Scottish PMs were cunts, since then we've had three English cunts. There seems to be a theme here...

 

[DexterTCN]

The last two Scottish PMs were cunts, since then we've had three English cunts. There seems to be a theme here...

No argument here.

Last two Scots PMs were from parties only registered in England though.

 

[maomao]

The last two Scottish PMs were cunts, since then we've had three English cunts. There seems to be a theme here...

Blair would have been fine as his constituency was in England. Gordon Brown, James Callaghan, Alec Douglas-Holme, Ramsey MdcDonald, Bonar Law, David Lloyd-George, H.H. Asquith and Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman would have all had problems though.

 

[danny la rouge]

Blair would have been fine as his constituency was in England. Gordon Brown, James Callaghan, Alec Douglas-Holme, Ramsey MdcDonald, Bonar Law, David Lloyd-George, H.H. Asquith and Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman would have all had problems though.

Indeed. It’s not the birthplace of the PM that’s the issue (indeed the current incumbent was born outside the U.K. altogether), but the location of the constituency they represent.

This is because in Scotland, many functions of government are handled at Holyrood, where MSPs are the representatives not MPs. Therefore in the event Swinson became PM, she’d have a say on Education, Health, law and order and so on in England but not in Scotland. This might, for example, lead to a PM privatising the NHS in England, while knowing that the hospital serving her own constituency remains in public hands. For example.

Devolved versus reserved powers: What are the powers of the Scottish Parliament? - Visit & Learn : Scottish Parliament

This asymmetry to differing degrees also applies to the other devolved institutions, depending on which powers are devolved. So that’s Wales, Northern Ireland, and yes London, although the mayor and assembly are seldom mentioned in this context, but of course the same argument holds: an MP in London represents a constituency where certain (albeit limited) matters are devolved whereas an MP in Devon, or County Durham or the West Midlands does not.

 

[TopCat]

the lib dems have constructed yet another obstacle to their success, which is to be ludicrously euphoric and exaggeratedly optimistic about their prospects, which to the uninformed (and indeed to the informed) makes it appear they have taken leave of their senses.

Will Chuka stick to the we can win line?

 

[Proper Tidy]

Wait was Blair scottish?

 

[Pickman's model]

Will Chuka stick to the we can win line?

he'll stick to his usual 'we can whine' line

 

[Pickman's model]

Wait was Blair scottish?

yes

 

[belboid]

The matter was already considered when Owen Smith stood for labour leader. It's irrelevant.

Despite the voting restrictions an MP representing a constituency in one of the devolved nations might face under the EVEL procedures, there is no constitutional reason why a future UK Prime Minister should not represent a constituency in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland. It remains the Sovereign’s prerogative to invite whomsoever she chooses to be Prime Minister, albeit in accordance with the constitutional convention that she invite the person who appears most likely to be able to command the confidence of the House of Commons.

 

[Pickman's model]

Wait was Blair scottish?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Indeed. It’s not the birthplace of the PM that’s the issue (indeed the current incumbent was born outside the U.K. altogether), but the location of the constituency they represent.

This is because in Scotland, many functions of government are handled at Holyrood, where MSPs are the representatives not MPs. Therefore in the event Swinson became PM, she’d have a say on Education, Health, law and order and so on in England but not in Scotland. This might, for example, lead to a PM privatising the NHS in England, while knowing that the hospital serving her own constituency remains in public hands. For example.

Devolved versus reserved powers: What are the powers of the Scottish Parliament? - Visit & Learn : Scottish Parliament

This asymmetry to differing degrees also applies to the other devolved institutions, depending on which powers are devolved. So that’s Wales, Northern Ireland, and yes London, although the mayor and assembly are seldom mentioned in this context, but of course the same argument holds: an MP in London represents a constituency where certain (albeit limited) matters are devolved whereas an MP in Devon, or County Durham or the West Midlands does not.

It won't be Swinson of course, but in the event of a Scottish mp becoming pm, they'd fudge it. The current arrangement, as you point out, is a fudge already.

 

[danny la rouge]

Wait was Blair scottish?

Born Edinburgh. Brought up in Australia and County Durham.

 

[danny la rouge]

It won't be Swinson of course

Of course. Not even in a parallel universe.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The matter was already considered when Owen Smith stood for labour leader. It's irrelevant.

Despite the voting restrictions an MP representing a constituency in one of the devolved nations might face under the EVEL procedures, there is no constitutional reason why a future UK Prime Minister should not represent a constituency in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland. It remains the Sovereign’s prerogative to invite whomsoever she chooses to be Prime Minister, albeit in accordance with the constitutional convention that she invite the person who appears most likely to be able to command the confidence of the House of Commons.

ITEM 71 - House of Lords - English votes for English laws - Constitution Committee

So, DexterTCN posting bollocks again.

 

[Pickman's model]

So, DexterTCN posting bollocks again.

was that ever news?

 

[Proper Tidy]

Well I never

 

[danny la rouge]

It's irrelevant

It may turn out not to affect who becomes PM in practise, but it’s not irrelevant. I can imagine a tabloid inspired backlash should it ever happen.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well I never

there has even been a welsh prime minister in the past

 

[belboid]

So, DexterTCN posting bollocks again.

It's shocking, I know.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It may turn out not to affect who becomes PM in practise, but it’s not irrelevant. I can imagine a tabloid inspired backlash should it ever happen.

It would be empty bluster, though - the contradictions of devolution are there already, and a Scottish pm would be a relatively minor thing compared to some other constitutional issues. It could lead to calls for federalism, I guess, but I'm not sure who from - most of the (English) tabloids would be dead against that.

 

[danny la rouge]

It would be empty bluster, though - the contradictions of devolution are there already, and a Scottish pm would be a relatively minor thing compared to some other constitutional issues. It could lead to calls for federalism, I guess, but I'm not sure who from - most of the (English) tabloids would be dead against that.

It’d feed into English nationalism.

 

[maomao]

Born Edinburgh. Brought up in Australia and County Durham.

Went to school in Edinburgh though. A really really posh school (Fettes, the one that James Bond was supposed to have gone to after having been expelled from Eton) but definitely in Edinburgh. And there's a hint of posh Scottish in his accent.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It’d feed into English nationalism.

In an 'I'm outraged' way rather than 'I've really thought about this and am concerned' way. Same old tune.

 

[danny la rouge]

And there's a hint of posh Scottish in his accent.

Is there? I can’t hear it, but you’re the expert there.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is there? I can’t hear it, but you’re the expert there.

I can hear it.

 

[danny la rouge]

In an 'I'm outraged' way rather than 'I've really thought about this and am concerned' way. Same old tune.

I didn’t say it’d be sane.