The 2019 General Election

[mauvais]

What do politicians do when they lose their seats? Do they have to go to the Jobcentre?

They get paid £20+k for their defeat, so probably not any hurry to do anything.

Edit: took me an hour to press send and CS beat me to it

 

[belboid]

The amount depends on how long you've been an MP. 22k has become almost writ in the stars, but that just cos its what Angela Smith would have got after 14 years.

 

[mauvais]

It is or at least was a month of salary for every year in office, up to a maximum of six.

 

[belboid]

It is or at least was a month of salary for every year in office, up to a maximum of six.

Loss of Office Payment, equivalent to double statutory redundancy payment, apparently. Plus costs for winding up their office. Tho both only if they've been in two years at least.

 

[Pickman's model]

Loss of Office Payment, equivalent to double statutory redundancy payment, apparently. Plus costs for winding up their office. Tho both only if they've been in two years at least.

we should all get money then as it winds me up

i'd love to get a payout if i got sacked, but i don't suppose it's on the cards

 

[NoXion]

You mean Labour is relevant now?

They haven't won the election, but they have shifted the frame of public discourse such that even the Tories have to pay lip-service to the notion of increased spending in the north, which is where Labour's vote got split by the Brexit party, and the place that the Tories have to thank for their recent victory.

Bullshit. Labour got absolutely hammered because they put themselves before what people wanted, made themselves look fucking stupid, had high profile fucking idiots leading the campaign, and generally looked inept.
Corbyn came over as a moron, 2 left shoes is the ideal candidate for the press to fuck about with, the policies were tired old extremist crap, and the "errrm" position on Brexit was pure stupidity.

Speaking of bullshit, why didn't the "extremist crap" which was front andf centre in the 2017 campaign lead to a bigger defeat? Why was it instead that Labour did better on a number of metrics than it had been doing for many years?

It speaks to the character of life in the UK under late capitalism that you seem to think, in all seriousness, that Corbyn's views are extremist. He's not a commie and you're just as fucking foolish as what you think of as the great Brexit-voting unwashed you look down your nose at, if that's really where you think Corbyn's politics lies.

Much as I don't like it, the electorate have soundly voted for Brexit so, as the UK is a democracy, elected politicians must work for the people, not themselves.
Labour came out as Errm or remain, and the electorate punished them for it, this giving Britain a five year bad hair day from a bastard with seriously bad hair.

Given that here you admit that it was Labour's Remain position that contributed to its defeat (and having established that the "commie extremism" argument is fucking bollocks), I'm having a hard time understanding why you seem to be expressing a great deal of personal antipathy towards Corbyn. His own views on the EU are a matter of public record; it was the right-wingers in the PLP that you love so much who are the ones who twisted Corbyn's arm into pivoting Labour towards Leave and the consequent loss at the polls.

This election result was the consequence of a set of idiots, led by an idiot, with easy to ridicule idiots as his main team, ignoring the electorate.
There's only one cure - Purge the far left, especially Corbyn, then find new people the press will find it far more difficult to attack.

The press will always attack the Labour party you absolute fucking idiot! Do you not remember the wink-wink nudge-nudge "son of a Marxist" nonsense and cryptic anti-Semitism that was being directed towards Ed Miliband?

 

[treelover]

been talking to fair few 20 somethings, they are devasted, say there was real gloom in the city centre, thursday night, say they were in bubble, say they will never own a home now, the impulse that is behind the hong kong events, i suspect we are going to hear from them on the streets quite soon.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Just when Donald Trump Don Troooomp had gone AWOL, NoXion summons him back.

 

[treelover]

In the absence of that leadership, other pseudo-patriotic voices have stepped in. Penny Pearson, 60, who helps to run the committee at Fishburn, tells me with some pride how the club hosted three events for a tweed-jacketed Nigel Farage and the Brexit party, down in the room with the Hardie banner. They catered for 100 each time and more came. Like many here Pearson would have voted for Farage, but went Conservative “just to make sure” that Corbyn’s Labour had no chance.

Fuck me, Falange was invited to speak at the Fishburn Miner Club, three times!, world turned upside down.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Fuck me, Falange was invited to speak at the Fishburn Miner Club, three times!, world turned upside down.

"He's a lad innhe, one of us, likes a pint, hates the fuckin frogs"

 

[Pickman's model]

They haven't won the election, but they have shifted the frame of public discourse such that even the Tories have to pay lip-service to the notion of increased spending in the north, which is where Labour's vote got split by the Brexit party, and the place that the Tories have to thank for their recent victory.



Speaking of bullshit, why didn't the "extremist crap" which was front andf centre in the 2017 campaign lead to a bigger defeat? Why was it instead that Labour did better on a number of metrics than it had been doing for many years?

It speaks to the character of life in the UK under late capitalism that you seem to think, in all seriousness, that Corbyn's views are extremist. He's not a commie and you're just as fucking foolish as what you think of as the great Brexit-voting unwashed you look down your nose at, if that's really where you think Corbyn's politics lies.



Given that here you admit that it was Labour's Remain position that contributed to its defeat (and having established that the "commie extremism" argument is fucking bollocks), I'm having a hard time understanding why you seem to be expressing a great deal of personal antipathy towards Corbyn. His own views on the EU are a matter of public record; it was the right-wingers in the PLP that you love so much who are the ones who twisted Corbyn's arm into pivoting Labour towards Leave and the consequent loss at the polls.



The press will always attack the Labour party you absolute fucking idiot! Do you not remember the wink-wink nudge-nudge "son of a Marxist" nonsense and cryptic anti-Semitism that was being directed towards Ed Miliband?

 

[Pickman's model]

Just when Donald Trump Don Troooomp had gone AWOL, NoXion summons him back.

Yeh well the twat's due a shoeing

 

[SpineyNorman]

Screw it, to save waiting for them to deflect, I'll answer. The Labour left have Never managed a successful 2 term run.

That would suggest far left wing ideas are crap in that they don't work in reality, and the whole fucking daft leaning is unpopular. Labour only get in when the Tories fuck themselves over, never because the Labour left have ever managed anything.
This election was especially shit, the left having taken over the whole job, stuffed a total fucking idiot into the leadership, then watched with support when he chose fucking idiots like 2 left shoes into his shadow cabinet.

Now, before some bleeding idiot starts claiming I'm a Blair fan - Fuck off - he was a cunt almost as bad as Thatcher.

If council House building and nationalised utilities is far left then every government between Attlee and thatcher was far left so there's plenty that have lasted more than one term. In fact there's even some far left tory governments in there.

 

[stolinski]

we're gonna need new and extraspecial memes for the forthcoming shitshow

 

[Don Troooomp]

Speaking of bullshit, why didn't the "extremist crap" which was front andf centre in the 2017 campaign lead to a bigger defeat?

Because the tories were a fucking mess. Labour only ever do well when the tories fuck up, not because they're any good.
If that changes, we see Labour governments that stay in power.
On a personal note, my mum is in long term care and absolutely dependent on good NHS services, but Labour losing all the time means tories, and tories fuck up the NHS.

 

[bimble]

Kenan Malik on the dysfunctional relationship between media and politicians that helped make this election such a circus. Think he's right that the disinformation about the child on the floor was the worst bit, 'the cynicism that can turn any truth into a lie'.
TOO SCEPTICAL AND NOT SCEPTICAL ENOUGH

 

[Brainaddict]

I've just read this piece for the first time. The Quietus | Features | Last House On The Left: Following Jeremy Corbyn's Campaign Trail

Was it ever posted here? It is one of the most accurately prophetic articles I've read, particularly in light of the polls saying Brexit was only the second most important reason Labour voters shifted. Those who think Corbyn lost because the press smeared him should have a read.

Contains the should-be-immortal line "He doesn't just have skeletons in his closet, he hangs up his shirts in an ossuary."

 

[mauvais]

I've just read this piece for the first time. The Quietus | Features | Last House On The Left: Following Jeremy Corbyn's Campaign Trail

Was it ever posted here? It is one of the most accurately prophetic articles I've read, particularly in light of the polls saying Brexit was only the second most important reason Labour voters shifted. Those who think Corbyn lost because the press smeared him should have a read.

Contains the should-be-immortal line "He doesn't just have skeletons in his closet, he hangs up his shirts in an ossuary."

It took me until about half way through to realise when that was written - not last week.

 

[Poi E]

"Taylor Parkes visits Chelmsford - Thatcher's Agincourt ".

When did she invade France?

 

[Brainaddict]

It took me until about half way through to realise when that was written - not last week.

Yeah, 2015. It's so spookily accurate that it feels like he's gone back and edited it.

I admit I was among those many people who for a long time dismissed the attacks on Corbyn as right wing smears without doing too much digging myself. And much of it was smears of course. But during the election campaign when people started saying 'terrorist-loving anti-semite' to me at the mention of Corbyn, I finally looked up the accusations in more detail so I could reply, and realised that the left of Labour had indeed decided to ignore the fact that he's spent quite a lot of time hanging around with (and approving of) total cunts.

The right wing press threw a lot of shit at Corbyn from the moment he got in, and most of it didn't stick. The two accusations that did stick did so because there was enough truth to them that even a life-long labour supporter could start to have doubts. Reading the Taylor Parkes article made me feel that the left did to a certain extent do what they so often accuse the right of doing: ignored the nasty aspects of a leader for the sake of getting the program they want.

 

[Pickman's model]

It took me until about half way through to realise when that was written - not last week.

this bit near the beginning indicates its age

 

[xenon]

It took me until about half way through to realise when that was written - not last week.

Heh, me too. Only when it spoke of Cameron and Osbourne.

 

[rekil]

Has Williamson officially joined the Galloway/CPGB(ML) alliance yet?

If he has I haven't seen it. Not even a courtesy follow back on the twitter so far. Appearing alongside Galloway at 3 hour events is one thing, putting up with him dishing out orders from behind his chippendale desk and raking in cash for him and the likes of Brar is something else.

 

[kabbes]

Also, bad leadership is also transformational. In, like, a bad way, obvs. No leader — even in a chaotic style — is less harmful than a bad leader.

 

[mauvais]

Also, bad leadership is also transformational. In, like, a bad way, obvs. No leader — even in a chaotic style — is less harmful than a bad leader.

Wrong thread. But yeah.

 

[Proper Tidy]

If he has I haven't seen it. Not even a courtesy follow back on the twitter so far. Appearing alongside Galloway at 3 hour events is one thing, putting up with him dishing out orders from behind his chippendale desk and raking in cash for him and the likes of Brar is something else.

Reckon he is holding fire pending events. Suspect that to the corbyn/milne sphere he was not persona non grata and he's waiting to see how it plays out with new leadership

 

[treelover]

I've just read this piece for the first time. The Quietus | Features | Last House On The Left: Following Jeremy Corbyn's Campaign Trail

Was it ever posted here? It is one of the most accurately prophetic articles I've read, particularly in light of the polls saying Brexit was only the second most important reason Labour voters shifted. Those who think Corbyn lost because the press smeared him should have a read.

Contains the should-be-immortal line "He doesn't just have skeletons in his closet, he hangs up his shirts in an ossuary."

Grimly prescient

 

[stolinski]

Grimly prescient

I skimmed it and all it is for me is just another example of Corbyn bashing by someone who should have got behind a genuine far left representative. I've been so sick of all the attack pieces in supposedly leftwing places like London Review of Books and Guardian that I didn't really feel like reading another one in detail. Particularly because this piece seems just the same as the rest, saying Corbyn is incompetent and supports terrorists lalala, I find all these very vague allegations pathetic, i've been on a march where other people were shouting 'up with Hamas', so what, that doesn't make me a terrorist.
Let's not forget the Tories in the 1980s were saying "hang mandela" (Federation of Conservative Students) and Thatcher called the ANC terrorists - source: The Conservative party's uncomfortable relationship with Nelson Mandela. Yes Corbyn expressed support for the IRA back then, so did a lot of the radical left. And it was Blair not him shaking hands with those scumbags McGuiness and Adams (who by the way directly ordered killings, as Kevin Myers says in his excellent book about the Troubles 'Watching the Door' ). Of course now it seems prescient because all the negativity helped defeated a genuine far left manifesto, so now all these commentators can crow and say they told us so. I find it all a bit chicken and egg, I wonder what would have happened if the left had actually got behind Corbyn. But of course that's not what happened and now we all have to suck it up. Anyway that's my two cents on that article that everyone else seems to like.

 

[treelover]

i've been on a march where other people were shouting 'up with Hamas', so what, that doesn't make me a terrorist.

but did you challenge them?, I recall a Palestine march where some young men were putting out anti-semitic literature, I went over to the SWP guy who organised it, (I will say he now has a senior role in Love Music/Hate Racism.) he said "but these people are overwhelmed by suffering", er, they were from Attercliffe! Another time, a crew were chanting 'Palestine, for the river to the sea', put my hand over megaphone and got chased down the block, no leftist/liberal leftist came to my aid.

 

[Brainaddict]

I skimmed it and all it is for me is just another example of Corbyn bashing by someone who should have got behind a genuine far left representative. I've been so sick of all the attack pieces in supposedly leftwing places like London Review of Books and Guardian that I didn't really feel like reading another one in detail. Particularly because this piece seems just the same as the rest, saying Corbyn is incompetent and supports terrorists lalala, I find all these very vague allegations pathetic, i've been on a march where other people were shouting 'up with Hamas', so what, that doesn't make me a terrorist.
Let's not forget the Tories in the 1980s were saying "hang mandela" (Federation of Conservative Students) and Thatcher called the ANC terrorists - source: The Conservative party's uncomfortable relationship with Nelson Mandela. Yes Corbyn expressed support for the IRA back then, so did a lot of the radical left. And it was Blair not him shaking hands with those scumbags McGuiness and Adams (who by the way directly ordered killings, as Kevin Myers says in his excellent book about the Troubles 'Watching the Door' ). Of course now it seems prescient because all the negativity helped defeated a genuine far left manifesto, so now all these commentators can crow and say they told us so. I find it all a bit chicken and egg, I wonder what would have happened if the left had actually got behind Corbyn. But of course that's not what happened and now we all have to suck it up. Anyway that's my two cents on that article that everyone else seems to like.

Ever wonder if you might be part of the problem...?

Also you seem to be living in some alternate reality. More of 'the left' got behind the Labour Party than seemed imaginable a few years ago. Half a million party members. The idea 'the left' didn't get behind Corbyn is so weird. These boards are full of complaints by radical leftists that too many of their comrades have got involved. You may be confusing leftists with guardian columnists or something. Odd.