The 2019 General Election

[killer b]

interesting that, would be (fairly) curious to see per seat demographics including on the vote itself. Of course its true that grassroots politics have to be done by local people - you cant/wouldn't want to parachute/astroturf - which leads to the question, who lives in place X exactly to engage in this? Age as well as wealth is an issue too

(not sure as change since when on that graph but gives an impresion)

I was in Pendle on Thursday, talking to a youngish local - no work round there so all the kids who can move out to Manchester earliest opportunity.

 

[ska invita]

past 3 decades according to
@centrefortowns

one more from this lot -
Centre For Towns - POLLING: How do our towns intend to vote?
they did some polling analysis:

Pre this 2019 election:

Also

 

[chilango]

One for those who though Labour's policies were far-left idiocy...

The public are now even more likely to want the railways, water companies, buses, energy companies, Royal Mail, and the health service to be run in the public sector than they were at the last election – to the extent that there is now a "political consensus" among voters.

Public support for nationalisation increased while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader, poll finds

 

[Don Troooomp]

Perhaps the best way is sack the cat but keep Corbyn and go even further left.
After all, it's working so well.

 

[Don Troooomp]

One for those who though Labour's policies were far-left idiocy...


Public support for nationalisation increased while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader, poll finds

Damn and shit - voters must have marked the wrong bits if their papers.

Rerun the election because the voters got it wrong.

 

[Sprocket.]

Pol Pot was far-left, let’s all stop talking twaddle about Corbyn. He’s a social democrat at most.

 

[Don Troooomp]

yeh every incoming prime minister makes nice sounding comments but within a month or two down the line these happy sentiments are forgotten

I know that, and you know that, but Corbyn didn't manage to convince anyone.

 

[Proper Tidy]

This is quite interesting (ashcroft) - more for the social grade than age. Largest tory share in C2s, and 5% over labour in DEs.

 

[ska invita]

One for those who though Labour's policies were far-left idiocy...

Public support for nationalisation increased while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader, poll finds

i expect whatever new Lab leader takes place, no matter how to the right, nationalisation (of all key utilities? Probably) will be on the manifesto. Whether its ever carried out (if they win that is!) is another matter. Its one thing writing it down and another having the fight to enact it. My expectation is none of the current lead candidates and their teams seems as up to the task of carrying these things through, even if they claim to support them. Hope to be proved wrong. I don't really know much about any of them in all honesty, just impressions.

*also read John McDonnell saying it wasn't just about nationalisation, it was about significant workers control of those institutions. I believed him. Again, that is something else that might fall off the table. <<<<pointless speculations/concerns really, but have crossed my mind.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Perhaps the best way is sack the cat but keep Corbyn and go even further left.
After all, it's working so well.

You're are like a fucking Durcell bunny, going on & on & on, FFS you have made your point over various threads, over & over again, it's beyond boring...

 

[mauvais]

I know that, and you know that, but Corbyn didn't manage to convince anyone.

You don't appear to know that, as you keep banging on about the far left unironically.

 

[ska invita]

This is quite interesting (ashcroft) - more for the social grade than age. Largest tory share in C2s, and 5% over labour in DEs.

Searching it says C2 is skilled working class, Skilled manual workers. Amongst my friends these are the people earning the most, often with families (can afford children and their upkeep) and buying their own homes. Yeah they work hard but builders/carpenters/plumbers and electricians are earning really good money from what I can see. Look at hourly rates - eye watering.
Small trader capitalism seems to work well for them so Im not surprised by that

DE is depressing though, though i see it includes pensioners, so theres that demographic bomb in there too

 

[Proper Tidy]

This is quite interesting (ashcroft) - more for the social grade than age. Largest tory share in C2s, and 5% over labour in DEs.

And this bit

 

[ska invita]

In some vox pops the other day, teenager in Blackpool IIRC: "My dad is a scaffolder and he earns £80k, why should he pay more tax etc."
80k, i can believe that. File under C2

 

[Proper Tidy]

Searching it says C2 is skilled working class, Skilled manual workers. Amongst my friends these are the people earning the most, often with families (can afford children and their upkeep) and buying their own homes. Yeah they work hard but builders/carpenters/plumbers and electricians are earning really good money from what I can see. Look at hourly rates - eye watering.
Small trader capitalism seems to work well for them so Im not surprised by that

DE is depressing though, though i see it includes pensioners, so theres that demographic bomb in there too

E only includes pensioners reliant solely on state pension - if they have workplace/private pension provision as well they are categorised on previous occupation - so the DE breakdown is very depressing.

C2 isn't just trades tbf and overall income levels do correspond broadly with social grades

 

[ska invita]

E only includes pensioners reliant solely on state pension - if they have workplace/private pension provision as well they are categorised on previous occupation - so the DE breakdown is very depressing.

C2 isn't just trades tbf and overall income levels do correspond broadly with social grades

thanks

 

[Pickman's model]

I know that, and you know that, but Corbyn didn't manage to convince anyone.

it may surprise you to learn that jeremy corbyn is not the incoming prime minister

 

[Proper Tidy]

And this bit

Anyway this shows labour taking 25% of libdem voters and 8% of tory voters against 25% of labour leave voters going direct to tories & 4% to BP, plus 9% labour remainers going libdem, so switch to second referendum didn't cost them in pure %. But it's where those voters were I suppose. Also doesn't factor in the stay at homes.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't appear to know that, as you keep banging on about the far left unironically.

he knows nothing and not in a jon snow sort of way either
more of a manuel sort of way

 

[ska invita]

E only includes pensioners reliant solely on state pension - if they have workplace/private pension provision as well they are categorised on previous occupation - so the DE breakdown is very depressing.

C2 isn't just trades tbf and overall income levels do correspond broadly with social grades

definitely there are C2s making way way more than £19K...graphs dont show everything

 

[Proper Tidy]

definitely there are C2s making way way more than £19K...graphs dont show everything

Yeah of course, it's just an average (and dunno how old that graph is tbh, I googled it, suspect it's not that new)

 

[killer b]

Anyway this shows labour taking 25% of libdem voters and 8% of tory voters against 25% of labour leave voters going direct to tories & 4% to BP, plus 9% labour remainers going libdem, so switch to second referendum didn't cost them in pure %. But it's where those voters were I suppose. Also doesn't factor in the stay at homes.

you can't take a % of one thing and assume it's directly comparably to a % of another though.

 

[Argonia]

What do politicians do when they lose their seats? Do they have to go to the Jobcentre?

 

[Pickman's model]

What do politicians do when they lose their seats? Do they have to go to the Jobcentre?

via the bank to make a fat deposit

 

[DotCommunist]

What do politicians do when they lose their seats? Do they have to go to the Jobcentre?

well paid non job with whichever industry's arse you were crawling up while in power

 

[Shechemite]

Has Williamson officially joined the Galloway/CPGB(ML) alliance yet?

 

[Proper Tidy]

you can't take a % of one thing and assume it's directly comparably to a % of another though.

Well no obviously

 

[Pickman's model]

well paid non job with whichever industry's arse you were crawling up while in power

after getting a hefty golden goodbye

 

[gosub]

What do politicians do when they lose their seats? Do they have to go to the Jobcentre?

Never heard the House of Lords called that before

 

[cupid_stunt]

What do politicians do when they lose their seats? Do they have to go to the Jobcentre?

IIRC, they get a £22k payout if they lose their seat, enough to keep them going whilst they make a few calls to their 'network' and find an over-paid 'job' of some description.