The 2017 General Election campaign

[killer b]

not sure anyone has the stamina to do the full 13 pages tbh.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Basically that he gave a speech once (edit: at a pro-Palestine event in Trafalgar Square), and that some members of al-Muhajiroun were in the crowd. That is literally the extent of it.

Ta. Not surprised it's that's flimsy. I see the Torygraph have gone with the shocker that he has been monitored by Special Branch.

 

[Sirena]

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General election latest: Last day of campaigning - BBC News

Isn't 'coming to terms with...' usually code for addiction of some sort?

Seeing the Sky interview, I suspect some sort of prescription downers...

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The right wing press have been next to silent for years about arming Saudi. They are far more complicit in apologism for islamic violence than Corbyn could even hope to be.

 

[agricola]

The right wing press have been next to silent for years about arming Saudi. They are far more complicit in apologism for islamic violence than Corbyn could even hope to be.

Appeasement is what it is.

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't 'coming to terms with...' usually code for addiction of some sort?

Seeing the Sky interview, I suspect some sort of prescription downers...

i thought it was something along the lines of ms or motor neurone disease.

 

[danny la rouge]

Click on the twitter link.

Do you mean this?



That only confirms the conversation took place. It doesn't say that Dugdale said what Sturgeon says she said. Like I said already, it comes down to taking one person's word for it over another's. It's not very clever to expect the public to take your word for it. What happens if they don't? You end up looking worse than if you hadn't said it. And that's why I think it was an uncharacteristic misstep for Sturgeon.

 

[Teaboy]

The lib dem battle bus is in my home town today. It looks a bit dilapidated. Someone has stuck a "I'm voting Labour" sticker on the side.

 

[JTG]

The lib dem battle bus is in my home town today. It looks a bit dilapidated. Someone has stuck a "I'm voting Labour" sticker on the side.

Slash its tyres

 

[Teaboy]

Sorry that's massive but that's the extent of my IT skills.

 

[Dogsauce]

A friend had Tory canvassers at his door and kept them talking for 15 minutes pretending to be considering a vote. Stopped them bothering anyone else that may have been more receptive to the message. Taking one for the team.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

A friend had Tory canvassers at his door and kept them talking for 15 minutes pretending to be considering a vote. Stopped them bothering anyone else that may have been more receptive to the message. Taking one for the team.

 

[JTG]

Lib Dem leaflet in Bristol NW urging voters to forget the 2015 result and look at 2010 when they came second. "Jeremy Corbyn's divided Labour Party can't win here"
Desperate dishonest cunts

 

[Whagwan]

Lib Dem leaflet in Bristol NW urging voters to forget the 2015 result and look at 2010 when they came second. "Jeremy Corbyn's divided Labour Party can't win here"
Desperate dishonest cunts

From the Facebook group "Lib Dem Bar charts are why I have trust issues."

 

[Dogsauce]

It's a logarithmic graph with a false origin, Lib Dems being dead sciency and all that.

 

[Corax]

that's fairly contemptuous of the cognitive abilities of our countryfolk, corax.

Sorry if it came across that way. It wasn't meant to be dismissive of Joe Public's abilities or intelligence, but I think it's realistic to recognise that engagement with national socio-political stuff is generally a lot lower than you'd find amongst contributors to a forum like this.

 

[killer b]

It may be, but it's still a more complex engagement than just 'look at this weirdo'.

 

[Corax]

Yep. The prospect of another 5 years of full on neo-liberalism has almost got me to the point of forgetting my core politics, to the point where I'm cheering Corbyn on (and I do desperately want Labour to stop may getting a majority). But ultimately that's the issue, that's what's actually wrong with Corbynism. It hasn't engaged with the disengaged and it hasn't done enough to stop dealing with the world in the way you'd expect any old institutional centre left party to behave. Yes, he's been fire fighting a tidal wave of media hostility and treachery from his own MPs. But ultimately Labour hasn't engaged the disengaged because it hasn't even spoken to them.

What's he meant to do, go full-on Marxist? Can you imagine the field day the press would have with him then?

I'm not buying a replica Corbynista kit yet, but I've yet to see a viable alternative strategy.

 

[Wilf]

What's he meant to do, go full-on Marxist? Can you imagine the field day the press would have with him then?
.

No. I'm talking about it as it as, a social democratic politics - and the things that would need to have happened for Labour to have had a chance to win. What I'm saying is nothing to do with moving to the left, it's about how Corbyn/Labour/Momentum relate to and engage wit the working class.

 

[DexterTCN]

To Wings? No.

lol. Not like facts, danny?

A question of values

 

[danny la rouge]

lol. Not like facts, danny?

Seems you don't like them much. The Times report (which I found in the Twitter feed of a Times journo) does not say what you seemed to think it says.

 

[Who PhD]

I'm not sure I can cope with this election, tomorrow night is going to be fucking harrowing. I felt sick as a dog last time. The thought of having to do that again is too much

 

[Who PhD]

Yep. The prospect of another 5 years of full on neo-liberalism has almost got me to the point of forgetting my core politics, to the point where I'm cheering Corbyn on (and I do desperately want Labour to stop may getting a majority). But ultimately that's the issue, that's what's actually wrong with Corbynism. It hasn't engaged with the disengaged and it hasn't done enough to stop dealing with the world in the way you'd expect any old institutional centre left party to behave. Yes, he's been fire fighting a tidal wave of media hostility and treachery from his own MPs. But ultimately Labour hasn't engaged the disengaged because it hasn't even spoken to them.

Hasn't engaged? Are you serious?

The only people that haven't responded are morons like Class War and Ian Bone's sad little crowd

 

[Teaboy]

I'm not sure I can cope with this election, tomorrow night is going to be fucking harrowing. I felt sick as a dog last time. The thought of having to do that again is too much

Don't watch it. Simple solution really. Just accept that its going to be a comfortable win for the tories and anything less is bonus.

 

[Wilf]

Hasn't engaged? Are you serious?

The only people that haven't responded are morons like Class War and Ian Bone's sad little crowd

I'm struggling to get anywhere near your logic. You think Class War should have joined in with Corbyn?

 

[Pickman's model]

Hasn't engaged? Are you serious?

The only people that haven't responded are morons like Class War and Ian Bone's sad little crowd

so everyone else bar 20-30 people has responded and engaged.

you're in fucking cloud cuckoo land, chuck.

 

[DexterTCN]

Seems you don't like them much...

I like these ones.....

A question of values

 

[inva]

Hasn't engaged? Are you serious?

The only people that haven't responded are morons like Class War and Ian Bone's sad little crowd

yeah what kind of anarchists are they!?

 

[danny la rouge]

I like these ones.....

A question of values

Can you show me where in the Times report (that you asked me to search out) that it says Dugdale said what Sturgeon claimed she said?

If not, then it's simply a matter of taking one person's word or another's. And no matter how much you hope people take Nicola Sturgeon's, it's unverifiable so they might not.

 

[killer b]

Going for the John Lewis Christmas Advert vibe here.