The 2017 General Election campaign

[William of Walworth]

Mail on Sunday was always just about slightly less extremely Tory than the weekly one ....

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Question that perplexes me: To his credit, Corbyn has been far more critical of arming Saudis than other Labour leaders.

The febrile fascist press are sure to go even further in their disgusting appropriation of pain and misery in Northern Ireland towards personal attacks on Corbyn (we know the right don't give two shits for people in the 6 north eastern counties because they have made next to no effort to generate a post-Brexit plan for the border)

So when they hammer him as "sympathetic to terrorists" 30 years ago, the obvious retort is that she (May) arms Islamic extremists TO-fucking-DAY. Why don't Labour use it? I would have thought arming Islamic extremists would be considered somewhat rum overall.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

And another thing...Tim whatshisname off of the Libdems got a lot of deserved flack for his position on homosexuality.

Theresa May voted against the repeal of Section 28, and has candidates like this in her fold

Conservative candidate has links to a ‘gay cure’ church

Have mainstream "journalists" put her bigotry under the microscope or do tories get a free pass yet again?

 

[Raheem]

Ouch.

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I know. Ouch indeed. Only 12 pages? Call that glorious?

 

[treelover]

Jeremy Corbyn's 10-year association with group which denies the Holocaust



Polls up for Labour, so the dirty tricks come out.

so transparent.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Jeremy Corbyn's 10-year association with group which denies the Holocaust



Polls up for Labour, so the dirty tricks come out.

so transparent.

Theresa May gives weapons to anti semites and is closely linked to a "news" paper which railed against "floods of jews" escaping the reich.
Antisemitism in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

 

[Raheem]

Jeremy Corbyn's 10-year association with group which denies the Holocaust

Polls up for Labour, so the dirty tricks come out.

so transparent.

Note to Tory HQ: If your aim is to persuade people away from voting Labour, the Telegraph readership may not be the optimum audience for this type of headline.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Theresa May gives weapons to anti semites and is closely linked to a "news" paper which railed against "floods of jews" escaping the reich.
Antisemitism in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

There is no mention of Theresa May whatsoever in that item from Wikepedia.

 

[Raheem]

There is no mention of Theresa May whatsoever in that item from Wikepedia.

Well, it is the encyclopaedia anyone can edit...

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

There is no mention of Theresa May whatsoever in that item from Wikepedia.

She flogs them weapons, which is what I said.

They did out something about Corbyn and holocaust denial, but May can flog weapons to virulent Jew haters.

they bang on about Corbyn and the IRA 30 years ago, May arms Islamic extremists today.

These wild inconsistencies demonstrate that victims of the troubles and Jew-hate are just pawns for shallow political exploitation as far as the right are concerned.

 

[J Ed]

They should send him to some Conservative safe seats, let him sink or swim and deal with hecklers.


In person he's great but not many conservative voters have dealt with him.

He was in Peterborough on Friday

 

[J Ed]

As heartening as the new polling is, there's still no way Labour can win. What it does potentially mean is that Corbyn could legitimately retain leadership until the rest of the party plays ball and allows a lower threshold for a leadership candidacy.

 

[redsquirrel]

As heartening as the new polling is, there's still no way Labour can win. What it does potentially mean is that Corbyn could legitimately retain leadership until the rest of the party plays ball and allows a lower threshold for a leadership candidacy.

I think that's the ball that is in play. 35+% would give him a decent result to stand on against any challengers.

Some inside the party are already considering a bid to return to the old Labour leadership voting system, which gave MPs a greater say in deciding the leader. The move would end the practice of allowing Labour supporters to pay £3 for a vote in a leadership contest. But changing the rules would require a huge and painful battle at Labour’s autumn conference. There are also attempts by the left of the party to change rules to make it easier for their preferred candidate to run for leader.

 

[Kaka Tim]

a lot of people seem mystified by corbyn’s growing popularity with the voters – perhaps the British electorate is being infiltrated by trotskyite entryists?

 

[Bingo]

I've been watching this for the last few weeks, reckon it might be a good indicator Prime Minister After Election Betting Odds | UK Politics | Oddschecker

Corbyn's gone from 20-1 to about 8-1 on average

 

[butchersapron]

liberals love old people now. Quite a turnaround since june when they wanted them to die.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've been watching this for the last few weeks, reckon it might be a good indicator Prime Minister After Election Betting Odds | UK Politics | Oddschecker

Corbyn's gone from 20-1 to about 8-1 on average

no it wouldn't, all it means is a load of people have chucked money onto him.

 

[Pickman's model]

a lot of people seem mystified by corbyn’s growing popularity with the voters – perhaps the British electorate is being infiltrated by trotskyite entryists?

or entered by trotskyite infiltrators.

 

[bi0boy]

I think that's the ball that is in play. 35+% would give him a decent result to stand on against any challengers.

I am pretty sure the Tories would love Corbyn to stay on after losing the election. They can let him get more than Milliband this time round, and keep their powder dry for 2022.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am pretty sure the Tories would love Corbyn to stay on after losing the election.

what will be more interesting after the tories lose the election is whether may stays on.

 

[bi0boy]

what will be more interesting after the tories lose the election is whether may stays on.

That would probably be the least interesting thing after the Tories lose the election tbf.

 

[Pickman's model]

That would probably be the least interesting thing after the Tories lose the election tbf.

yeh. but more interesting than what the tories think about corbyn.

 

[treelover]

Note to Tory HQ: If your aim is to persuade people away from voting Labour, the Telegraph readership may not be the optimum audience for this type of headline.

it is not just aimed at its own readership, but creating a wider political mood/agenda.

 

[chilango]

Funnily Tory voters I've spoken to aren't even considering the possibility of a Labour win.They're not checking the polls and seem very complacent.

Understandably so.

But those who I know that are floating Labour/Green/Undecided/Spoil are pilImg in behind Labour and there is a sense of *cough* momentum about it.

A line seems to have been drawn and people are choosing which side of it they're on.

It feels (amongst my circles) more polarised than any election I can recall, more than Brexit even.

 

[Wilf]

As heartening as the new polling is, there's still no way Labour can win. What it does potentially mean is that Corbyn could legitimately retain leadership until the rest of the party plays ball and allows a lower threshold for a leadership candidacy.

I think that's exactly it, though there's going to be an almighty battle over how the results are interpreted. 35%+ beats what Blair got in 2005, but the Tories still look like getting more than 45% which is carnage in terms of seats. But as you say the result will force the party to have the left v right organisational battle it should have had last year. Trouble is, the Corbynites are going to be in a much weaker position than they were then (in the sense of having lost an election very badly, even if the forces in the party remain roughly as they were).

 

[Idris2002]

I think that's exactly it, though there's going to be an almighty battle over how the results are interpreted. 35%+ beats what Blair got in 2005, but the Tories still look like getting more than 45% which is carnage in terms of seats. But as you say the result will force the party to have the left v right organisational battle it should have had last year. Trouble is, the Corbynites are going to be in a much weaker position than they were then (in the sense of having lost an election very badly, even if the forces in the party remain roughly as they were).

Roger that.

This article starts off with hopeful signs of a Labour revival - but ends with Ed M.'s spin doctor vowing vengeance on History's Greatest Monster:

"The poll boosts Mr Corbyn’s hopes of clinging on to the leadership by winning more votes than Ed Miliband two years ago.

Mr Miliband’s former spin doctor Tom Baldwin says, however, that Mr Corbyn should “have the good grace to clear his desk the next day” if he fails to gain seats and narrow the Tory lead from the

6.5 points that David Cameron enjoyed two years ago.

Writing in The Sunday Times, Baldwin says: “Corbyn has never been a force for either stability or rational debate in the party.

“If he cannot win seats from the Tories and cut their majority, he should go.”"

Nocookies

 

[agricola]

I think that's exactly it, though there's going to be an almighty battle over how the results are interpreted. 35%+ beats what Blair got in 2005, but the Tories still look like getting more than 45% which is carnage in terms of seats. But as you say the result will force the party to have the left v right organisational battle it should have had last year. Trouble is, the Corbynites are going to be in a much weaker position than they were then (in the sense of having lost an election very badly, even if the forces in the party remain roughly as they were).

That battle was always going to take place, irrespective of the result and even if he actually wins. I'd also say that, for all the problems that Corbyn and his allies would have organizationally, the internal opposition still has no obvious leader to rally around - and if he has got 31-35% (or more) of the electorate effectively by himself, it does sort of beg the question of what the actual point of the internal opposition is.

 

[newbie]

I got canvassed yesterday: 'the best Labour manifesto ever"... "would you put a Labour poster in the window?" (er, no) ... "well yes the candidate, but it's the party you're voting for"...

The leaflet says "It's CHUKA on the ballot paper here". No mention of any of the headline national policies, like nationalisation or fairer taxation. A bit of anodyne local waffle and a lot about what a wonderful chap CHUKA is.


is that divisive approach replicated across a lot of other safe Labour seats? By people we all know will obstruct the implementation of the manifesto promises they're notionally standing on.

 

[DotCommunist]

I got canvassed yesterday: 'the best Labour manifesto ever"... "would you put a Labour poster in the window?" (er, no) ... "well yes the candidate, but it's the party you're voting for"...

The leaflet says "It's CHUKA on the ballot paper here". No mention of any of the headline national policies, like nationalisation or fairer taxation. A bit of anodyne local waffle and a lot about what a wonderful chap CHUKA is.


is that divisive approach replicated across a lot of other safe Labour seats? By people we all know will obstruct the implementation of the manifesto promises they're notionally standing on.

its been repeated on my tory safe seat labour leaflet. Mike Scrimshaw, represents the constituents, local man 'I have a record of putting aside party politics for the benefit of local people'

hmm...



also: local election for local people, we'll have no corbyn here

 

[jakethesnake]

I got canvassed yesterday: 'the best Labour manifesto ever"... "would you put a Labour poster in the window?" (er, no) ... "well yes the candidate, but it's the party you're voting for"...

The leaflet says "It's CHUKA on the ballot paper here". No mention of any of the headline national policies, like nationalisation or fairer taxation. A bit of anodyne local waffle and a lot about what a wonderful chap CHUKA is.


is that divisive approach replicated across a lot of other safe Labour seats? By people we all know will obstruct the implementation of the manifesto promises they're notionally standing on.

Yup, here in Exeter we have the treacherous Ben Bradshaw who is also doing exactly that.