TfL denied Uber operator license, ride hailing service wins on appeal (Sept 2020)

[skyscraper101]

I know a guy who used to drive for Addison Lee who left them to drive an Uber and that's pretty much his view too, he's much happier.

LOL. Last time I mentioned that the drivers seemed happy with the Uber model on the Uber Crap/Not-Crap thread, I got flamed for suggesting that they weren't under duress to refrain from complaining about it.

Amazing! I can't imagine why someone who works for an organisation that is know to be highly hostile to any criticism, might refrain from slagging the company off.

It's not a candid chat. It's potentially part of the service, for which you are being held to account in a way that will affect your future earnings.

If you don't think many workers are going to be cautious about criticising their employer to a stranger then you must live in a different world to the rest of us. And when that organisation is renowned for it's hostility to criticism and strongly anti-union that goes double.

Why would they air their grievances with a random stranger who, for all they know, could be a 'mystery shopper' ? Seems like a good way to get the sack.

 

[agricola]

Uber's PR firms are certainly earning their money today - I've seen Sky, BBC and CNN all repeating the claim that 3.5 million Londoners use Uber (which is probably based on the Uber press release where it actually said that 3.5 million people had downloaded its app, which may itself be that the app was downloaded 3.5 million times).

About eight times more (the Guardian claim they only paid £411,000 in the tax year 2015-6).

 

[Reiabuzz]

So, 40,000 people out of work if these fuckers get away with it. Which is highly unlikely once it's put in front of an independent body. No idea how anybody could support this decision.

 

[The Fornicator]

The leasing side of it is huge but in turnover terms a back of a fag packet calculation suggests in London it's equivalent to about 15-20% of Uber's turnover and the turnover from leasing is lower than Uber's cut of the fare money. And that would be if every Uber driver leased, which they don't.

Turnover - what has turnover to do with large, unsecured personal loans taken out by people efffectively on mim wage?

This is the subprime bubble reenacted.

Uber operates in over 200 cities.

 

[Shechemite]

Uber is infinitely cheaper than fucking black cabs who I have nothing but contempt from the days when they'd ignore their own rules and refuse to drive me to Brixton.

My ex walks with sticks. More than once a driver has driven off after they've acknowledged us and she's struggled to get up to the car. The whole honest black cab stuff is bullshit

 

[maomao]

Turnover - what has turnover to do with personal loans taken out by people efffectively on mim wage?

Uber operates in over 200 cities.

The sum of those loan payments is their turnover. But you're right I know nothing about finance.

Don't know the difference between hiring and leasing either. A lot of drivers are hiring rather than leasing cars though. And plenty own then outright.

 

[EastEnder]

I've never used uber. I only mention that because it allows me to feel smug in light of the insufferably tedious people I've met in the past who, for some utterly inexplicable reason, have felt it necessary to inform me of what their "uber rating" was. I hope they are now sobbing into their mochachinos & contemplating where they went wrong in life.

 

[Orang Utan]

what's an Uber rating?

 

[agricola]

I've never used uber. I only mention that because it allows me to feel smug in light of the insufferably tedious people I've met in the past who, for some utterly inexplicable reason, have felt it necessary to inform me of what their "uber rating" was. I hope they are now sobbing into their mochachinos & contemplating where they went wrong in life.

I think you'll find they are all being outraged on Twitter. A line has been crossed!

 

[The Fornicator]

what's an Uber rating?

yawn: What's a discotheque? etc, etc.

 

[Orang Utan]

yawn: What's a discotheque? etc, etc.

just asking

 

[TruXta]

what's an Uber rating?

Drivers rate passengers.

 

[The Fornicator]

The sum of those loan payments is their turnover. But you're right I know nothing about finance.

Don't know the difference between hiring and leasing either. A lot of drivers are hiring rather than leasing cars though. And plenty own then outright.

FFS. Separate Uber from leasing. Understand in order to lease, companies need to borrow.

Some drivers rent. The economic model encourages unsecured leasing.

 

[redsquirrel]

Great stuff. Fuck 'em.

This.

LOL. Last time I mentioned that the drivers seemed happy with the Uber model on the Uber Crap/Not-Crap thread, I got flamed for suggesting that they weren't under duress to refrain from complaining about it.

You didn't get flamed, you had it pointed out that anecdotes about feedback from individual employees isn't a very good way of determining how shit an employer is. But I guess you'd rather just go with that crap than the documented tax dodging, anti-unionism etc.

 

[Orang Utan]

Drivers rate passengers.

weird. who gets to see it? there's not much you can rate for, is there? 'wasn't sick on the upholstery'

 

[EastEnder]

what's an Uber rating?

I did not enquire into the details. I assume it's some sort of rating, perhaps associated with uber. Probably a number, possibly with a decimal point somewhere.

 

[skyscraper101]

This.

You didn't get flamed, you had it pointed out that anecdotes about feedback from individual employees isn't a very good way of determining how shit an employer is. But I guess you'd rather just go with that crap than the documented tax dodging, anti-unionism etc.

All I said is they seemed happy with the arrangement, and I saw no hint that they were spinning a line out of fear for their jobs.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

All I said is they seemed happy with the arrangement, and I saw no hint that they were spinning a line out of fear for their jobs.

They don't have jobs to lose, they are all owners of small businesses...

 

[Crispy]

So, 40,000 people out of work if these fuckers get away with it. Which is highly unlikely once it's put in front of an independent body. No idea how anybody could support this decision.

They were on a 4-month license, to give them time to get their shit straight. Time ran out.

 

[ffsear]

Sign the Petition

 

[Reiabuzz]

They were on a 4-month license, to give them time to get their shit straight. Time ran out.

We'll see. I assume anyone in the judicial system with half a brain will see what's going on here. It's fairly blatant.

 

[Borp]

Sign the Petition

A petition started by uber itself. Is that legit.

 

[agricola]

Sign the Petition

The 3.5 million Londoners who rely on Uber to get a safe, reliable and affordable ride around the best city in the world will be astounded by the decision to ban Uber from the capital.

 

[phillm]

Prison Planet depressingly frames the argument as one of immigrant muslim rapist drivers v. white British black cabbies. It's glad to see the globalist battering ram get its comeuppance.

 

[not-bono-ever]

We'll see. I assume anyone in the judicial system with half a brain will see what's going on here. It's fairly blatant.

what is blatant ?

 

[TruXta]

weird. who gets to see it? there's not much you can rate for, is there? 'wasn't sick on the upholstery'

The drivers I guess? I don't use uber so I don't know much more than that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The 3.5 million Londoners who rely on Uber to get a safe, reliable and affordable ride around the best city in the world will be astounded by the decision to ban Uber from the capital.

 

[DotCommunist]

reibuzz thinks its all shenanigans by the black cabbies who run TfL

 

[ffsear]

what is blatant ?

Black cab drivers praise for mayor of London over Uber decision

 

[Guineveretoo]

Uber drivers can't stop working when they feel like it. If a customer in London wants to go to Aberdeen airport they have to take the job or never work for Uber again. Good riddance. The fares would have gone up massively when black cabs had been forced out of business.

is that true, though? I have been chatting to Uber drivers, and they tell me that you can refuse any fare, and people often do once they see the destination.