TfL denied Uber operator license, ride hailing service wins on appeal (Sept 2020)

[fishfinger]

from comments elsewhere theres a sense that some people are gagging for a union to blame. Hence conspiracy theories like the black cab drivers running tfl

Many black cab drivers are lizards

 

[J Ed]

from comments elsewhere theres a sense that some people are gagging for a union to blame. Hence conspiracy theories like the black cab drivers running tfl

In the stupider parts of the internet there seems to be talk about a 'white male cartel' being behind the uber ban. Yeah, unionised taxi drivers in London are all white. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been in London in the last two decades and I know what bollocks that is.

 

[magneze]

Why wouldn't they fly?

Because they can't sit up front?

 

[sealion]

In the stupider parts of the internet there seems to be talk about a 'white male cartel' being behind the uber ban.

George 'gideon' osborne and his family have there fingers in the uber pie. A good enough reason on it's own to fuck them off imo. The cunts

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Great stuff. Fuck 'em.

10s of thousands of redundancies. Great stuff.

 

[TruXta]

10s of thousands of redundancies. Great stuff.

Nah, they're all self-employed.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Nah, they're all self-employed.

It'll have no effect then?

 

[maomao]

10s of thousands of redundancies. Great stuff.

Not really true. 'Uber only' drivers are very rare. Most of them would just go back to the firms they were working at before who will be busier with Uber gone. Uber might have 'created' some extra work by selling their drivers' services particularly cheaply but that wasn't really to the benefit of drivers as a whole anyway.

Obviously there's problems with interrupting the race to the bottom half way through but that's no reason to continue the race surely?

 

[TruXta]

It'll have no effect then?

 

[maomao]

It'll have no effect then?

You're a sparky aren't you? Imagine some website had blagged three quarters of all the work in London, was handing it out at shit rates, everyone else was working for them and you had to either do the same or survive? If said website were to be threatened with closure by whatever regulator applied would you be arguing that said website should be protected from closure on the basis that it would take all the electricians a few weeks to get back to the way they were working before?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Obviously there's problems with interrupting the race to the bottom half way through but that's no reason to continue the race surely?

I doubt TFL and the Mayor of London care much about that tbh.

 

[maomao]

I doubt TFL and the Mayor of London care much about that tbh.

This is undeniably true.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

You're a sparky aren't you? Imagine some website had blagged three quarters of all the work in London, was handing it out at shit rates, everyone else was working for them and you had to either do the same or survive? If said website were to be threatened with closure by whatever regulator applied would you be arguing that said website should be protected from closure on the basis that it would take all the electricians a few weeks to get back to the way they were working before?

This already happened, kind of, when becoming self employed was made to look 'attractive' next minute you have recruitment agencies creaming off the profits and the end of the union.

 

[maomao]

This already happened, kind of, when becoming self employed was made to look 'attractive' next minute you have recruitment agencies creaming off the profits and the end of the union.

If there was a cheap app for sparkies I might get the dodgy spur I put in in my kitchen sorted out.

 

[Orang Utan]

I’m glad it’s all over for Uber in London – and I work for them | Anonymous

 

[moochedit]

I dont think uber have ever been licenced in coventry. I still see their cabs about with birmingham taxi licence plates though.

yep, this story below explains about it. I guess they could do the same in London if a neighbouring authority gives them a licence.

This is the danger of using Uber in Coventry, say council chiefs

Cllr Jayne Innes, cabinet member for city services, explained the loophole which allows Uber taxis to operate within the city boundaries, and the risk that this poses.

She said: “Uber is not registered to operate in the city.

“Our bar is set much higher than our neighbouring cities, and we want to provide a much higher standard of service to our residents.

“But the company’s tax model allows them to make advance bookings, and pick up fares in the city.

“However, if you get involved in an accident in an Uber in Coventry and it was not pre-booked, you might not be covered by insurance.”

“This means we have a crazy situation where Uber drivers can get a licence in Wolverhampton but can operate in Coventry.

“This not only creates an unfair playing field for the city’s local trade but also means that the high standards we apply in Coventry are not necessarily being met.

“What is worrying is that it has been reported that there have been several instances across the country where taxi drivers who have been banned by local authorities have been able to continue work because they have registered with Uber and got a licence from elsewhere.

“We don’t want that in Coventry but at the moment the council is powerless to stop it from happening.

 

[Spymaster]

you're sitting in the Uber cab so no wonder you don't see it , i commute into central London 5 days a week, i see it a few times each week. U turns, dangerous stopping, bad parking, lost drivers etc this is b4 you've even got in the car remember.

How do you know these are Ubers?

 

[Orang Utan]

How do you know these are Ubers?

the stickers?

 

[maomao]

the stickers?

Uber cars are unmarked. The stickers just mean minicabs. There seem to be a lot of people, like the twat in the Independent article that think Uber invented minicabs.

 

[emanymton]

Uber cars are unmarked. The stickers just mean minicabs. There seem to be a lot of people, like the twat in the Independent article that think Uber invented minicabs.

I've seen cars driving around marker as Uber?

 

[maomao]

I've seen cars driving around marker as Uber?

Maybe. Dunno. Most of them ain't.

 

[Orang Utan]

Uber cars are unmarked. The stickers just mean minicabs. There seem to be a lot of people, like the twat in the Independent article that think Uber invented minicabs.

Not the ones I've seen with big Uber stickers on the door

 

[maomao]

Not the ones I've seen with big Uber stickers on the door

London or Leeds? I haven't seen that.

 

[moochedit]

Uber cars are unmarked. The stickers just mean minicabs. There seem to be a lot of people, like the twat in the Independent article that think Uber invented minicabs.

The ones in see in cov (with brum or wolves licences) clearly say they are uber cabs on them. Maybe it is different in london? Maybe bham council insists they are marked and london doesn't?

 

[maomao]

The ones in see in cov (with brum or wolves licences) clearly say they are uber cabs on them. Maybe it is different in london? Maybe bham council insists they are marked and london doesn't?

London's only recently (about 2009) allowed company names on cars and its optional. I know in Edinburgh it's compulsory to have massive signs on the doors but the LTDA objected to it for ages in London.

 

[Spymaster]

I've seen cars driving around marker as Uber?

Maybe. Dunno. Most of them ain't.

Some of them have mag signs on the doors but the vast majority are unbranded. I've never been in a signed-up Uber. The branded ones seem to be slightly more prevalent outside of London.

 

[agricola]

London's only recently (about 2009) allowed company names on cars and its optional. I know in Edinburgh it's compulsory to have massive signs on the doors but the LTDA objected to it for ages in London.

Are you sure? I am sure Addison Lee's cars have been marked for at least the last fifteen years.

 

[Spymaster]

maomao do cab companies insure all of the cars that work on their ticket or is it the drivers responsibility to insure their motors individually?

I was in a local cab last night and the driver was banging on about Uber drivers being uninsured rapists!

 

[maomao]

maomao do cab companies insure all of the cars that work on their ticket or is it the drivers responsibility to insure their motors individually?

I was in a local cab last night and the driver was banging on about Uber drivers being uninsured rapists!

Drivers responsible for insurance. Companies responsible for keeping a copy of that insurance on record. I've never knowingly given work to an uninsured driver and would never do so.

Some companies will organise car rental and insurance for a driver but on paper this needs to be done as another company. So if you work for JB taxis you get your jobs and pay from JB Chauffeur and you get your car and insurance from JB car hire.

With reference to Uber specifically the app shuts the driver out the moment the insurance expires.

 

[maomao]

I've had Uber drivers on the phone all day. Can't tell them anything except call back Monday and speak to recruitment.