equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
And you equally don't know what people on this thread do in real life, so stop accusing people of doing nothing.
Supermarkets like sainsburies, airports, etc, spying on disabled and sick people
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You like to question but you aren't so keen on answering
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Why don't you go back to the start of the thread and read what everyone has posted? There have been challenges and questions, but you dismiss or ignore them.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I'll take Option B, thanks all the same, Mister Self-righteous
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Please post/cite evidence to support your claims... or do one!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Treelover says he doesn't need no stinking evidence
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Giving up on this thread as it's being trolled to hell by *checks notes* the person who started it.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Yep. Looking through a morning's footage of the entrance camera can, by definition, not take longer than a morning even if they watch it in real time. If the DWP can pay for an investigator to follow someone around for a day then they can pay for the same person to look at camera footage for a day.
It might not be a very good use of money but it's not like that would actually stop it happening.
How the fuck could it take 2 years to look at the footage from 168 hours (if it was open 24/7)? I mean it would literally be someone sitting and looking at the footage. But they wouldn't actually need to look at every single hour anyway, or every supermarket. I didn't suggest that, did I? I talked about following up a claim someone had made about a benefits claimant.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
How do you know they were all people without disabilities or illnesses? How?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
A worthy objection is that benefits investigations are not a cost effective tool. For every £30 spent they probably stop £2 of benefit fraud.
This is less about justice and more about distracting the public from bigger problems they don't want to address such as tax avoidance.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. You did read my post above how 20 or so hours of staff time was spent trying to work out how someone not supposed to have access to a library got into a library. So not sure how you can say with confidence that it won't take so long. Where's your evidence these people entered the store at all?
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
Its about humiliation. I understand capitals naked greed. I don't see that as mutually exclusive. You can only draw conclusions when so many cases present similarly. Its gone past disappointment/concern. It needs revenge, correction, justice. A vindication of the people who should be taken in and looked after, afforded respect and dignity, and stand against the filthy bastards that abuse them for their own benefit.
Literally the poorest and weakest are resented. Are barraged with endless propaganda, enmity, low-minded bitterness. Its fucking sick. They really are treated like they are the lowest, that these are better. Are they fuck. Its the other way round. What happened to being decent and looking after your neighbors? And its not just the unreasonable treatment of entirely respectable recipients of benefits, its the sons daughters etc who are snarled at by thickheaded wankers.
They and their insinuations need to be smashed to pieces politically. Fuck them and their bigotry, accusations and institutional suspiciousness.
Literally the poorest and weakest are resented. Are barraged with endless propaganda, enmity, low-minded bitterness. Its fucking sick. They really are treated like they are the lowest, that these are better. Are they fuck. Its the other way round. What happened to being decent and looking after your neighbors? And its not just the unreasonable treatment of entirely respectable recipients of benefits, its the sons daughters etc who are snarled at by thickheaded wankers.
They and their insinuations need to be smashed to pieces politically. Fuck them and their bigotry, accusations and institutional suspiciousness.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
scifisam https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...just-10-and-was-worryingly-good/#3c14b93451db (forbes article "We Built A Powerful Amazon Facial Recognition Tool For Under $10") now anyone can have a decent bash at facial recognition
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
If they can do it for 10 bucks then I have no doubt the arms of UK Government can deploy it for a cost of many millions, before budget over runs.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
TBH, this is a bag of paranoid bollocks. Who the fuck has the staff, anywhere, to identify the person the person as a benefits claimant, and copy the CCTV. Apart from anything else, cui bono? Why would Sainsbury's spend an absolute fortune tracking down... well, what exactly?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
have you encountered treelover before?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Not really... probably won't be in any hurry to do so again.
Fuck me, seldom was so much written about so little. Quite Kafkaesque really.
My starting point in conspiracy theories is 'why?'. If the 'why?' makes no sense, nothing else will.
So, the 'why?' is, why would Sainsbury's collect data for the DWP at immense cost and no benefit to themselves? No, of course they wouldn't.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Collect data not the same as pass on data when DWP request to do so
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Why collect it in the first place? What is in it for them?
I very much doubt if any supermarket keeps CCTV data for any length of time at all. Remember you are talking about multiple cameras, not just one.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They keep it a month if not required as evidence etc
Exactly. No one's suggesting the DWP are able to have people watch CCTV in real time in order to catch out claiments. It's a little interesting to imagine the dystopian future in which a thing would be done, using automated recognition but meanwhile... What's clear as they say it them selves, Sainsburries amongst others are happy to hand over CCTV footage when asked by the DWP. FridgeMagnet is saying they're not legally obliged to. I'd presumed if the request was made on the basis of a criminal investigation, the owner of CCTV systems had to hand over footage.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
They keep it for a month IIRC. And why do you think a shop would have CCTV?
They have it for theft detection, of course. They don't have it in case the DWP may want it.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think the OP was less interested in the tedious facts of the matter than he was in having an opportunity to clutch pearls and utter "Why, oh why...?" again.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
But if someone from the DWP said "we would like all your camera footage from store X from 10:00am - 11:0am on 24th May 2018, to assist us with an investigation into benefit fraud" do you think they would pass it on or not? Remember they have all the footage, which they have recorded for theft detection, and are required to keep for 28 days, so definitely have it.
I think they would pass it on, because a government agency was asking for it, the person would probably assume they have a legal requirement to do so (which I think they would if it were the police, but not the dwp). I expect they have done at times, and that is why the DWP is specifically stated in Sainsbury's privacy policy as an agency they will share CCTV with.
If you think they won't and don't share CCTV footage with the DWP, when the DWP requests it, why do you think they have included them in their privacy policy?
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