Sue Gray and therese Coffey nominated for a peerage

[Sue]

Why else would someone defend Coffey?

I'm not defending Coffey. Attack her for her politics by all means but attacking her for her looks -- which I assume is what you're doing -- is utterly shit whatever her politics are.

 

[Serene]

I'm not defending Coffey. Attack her for her politics by all means but attacking her for her looks -- which I assume is what you're doing -- is utterly shit whatever her politics are.

After what she did? Tories are vile.

 

[Sue]

After what she did?

Yes.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I’ve been here ages and never been called a Tory.

Though I did get called “far centre” once.

Not long enough yet.

 

[Elpenor]

I’ve been here ages and never been called a Tory.

Though I did get called “far centre” once.

Possibly worse than Tory that

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I was perfectly serious when I said that that photo was her one redeeming feature. Pissed up, drink spilt down her front, she's suddenly decided it's a good idea to smoke a cigar.

The single thing she's ever done that I can relate to.

 

[PTK]

Why else would someone defend Coffey?

Left-wingers attack the policies that Tories advocate.
Those who attack Tories on the basis of their physical characteristics are not left-wing. They are actually reinforcing Tory-type ideologies.

 

[agricola]

Surely it is the ultimate in "bent" to be a member of the House of Lords on account of what one of your ancestors did? Before the creation of life peerages, which I believe dates back to the 1960s, the titles awarded to Sue Gray et al would have passed to their children, and the children of their children, and so on.

I disagree - as fundamentally absurd as it is for someone to get a seat in the Lords because of what one of their ancestors did, at least it is out in the open (as in we know who they are and who will be sitting there after them) and at least the ancestor did something in the first place.

Now however we have the vast majority of people getting peerages for reasons that would never stand up to honest scrutiny. Why on earth is Claire Fox there?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

After what she did? Tories are vile.

Surely this isn't too difficult. This isn't about how vile Coffey is. It's about the values that you have.

So a person is overweight and has been known to like a drink and a smoke? Are any of those things that you think are worthy of attacking? If the answer is 'no' then you don't attack them.

 

[PTK]

It's like back when Ann Widdecombe was minister for prisons.

Pregnant women were chained to a prison offer when they went to hospital to give birth, and Widdecombe oversaw that policy, but some people thought that her worst crime was being overweight and not dying her hair often enough, so that her grey roots showed.

On the other hand, right-wing racist Brigitte Bardot, former French actor, was regarded as rather gorgeous back in the day.

 

[PTK]

I disagree - as fundamentally absurd as it is for someone to get a seat in the Lords because of what one of their ancestors did, at least it is out in the open (as in we know who they are and who will be sitting there after them) and at least the ancestor did something in the first place.

Now however we have the vast majority of people getting peerages for reasons that would never stand up to honest scrutiny. Why on earth is Claire Fox there?

I think we need to start an investigation. Why is Claire Fox a peer?

 

[Serge Forward]

I’ve been here ages and never been called a Tory.

Though I did get called “far centre” once.

That might have been me

 

[PTK]

That might have been me

"Far centre" implies that the there is another axis on the political map, at right-angles to the left-right line.

 

[Serge Forward]

"Far centre" implies that the there is another axis on the political map, at right-angles to the left-right line.

It might have been "extreme centrist" which needs no axis.

 

[8ball]

It might have been "extreme centrist" which needs no axis.

No, it was definitely “far centre”.

I took it to mean “so far to the right that you’re practically in the middle”.

“Extreme centrist” would be meaningful, if inaccurate.

I don’t think it was you - got the impression the person was a moron at the time..

 

[Rompipalle]

Therese Coffey`s only fans page is doing really well. Shes doing lingerie and leg shows.

 

[PTK]

Yes, we don't hate women, do we, we just make fun of them if we don't find them attractive.

 

[krtek a houby]

It looks like the Lords isn't the only archaic and offensive thing that needs dismantling.

 

[Humberto]

Aye. It's a principle that you have, otherwise it cuts both ways.

 

[krtek a houby]

Hasn't the idea of ending the HoL been around for quite some time? Seem to remember it being mooted during the Blair years.

Unless it's a slow process; deliberately filling the place with as many unsavoury characters as possible until it implodes or the people are driven to distraction and raze it to the ground.

 

[Humberto]

Starmer pledged to abolish the unelected second chamber at some stage. Lol obviously.

 

[PTK]

A fair number of the current members of the House of Lords called for it to be abolished before they were appointed to it.

 

[Humberto]

I mean you can get there by party donations apparently, which is obviously corrupt. Lord Lebedev anyone?

 

[Serene]

Surely this isn't too difficult. This isn't about how vile Coffey is. It's about the values that you have.

So a person is overweight and has been known to like a drink and a smoke? Are any of those things that you think are worthy of attacking? If the answer is 'no' then you don't attack them.

If she wants people to respect her then she shouldnt have done vile things in her time as a tory MP.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

If she wants people to respect her then she shouldnt have done vile things in her time as a tory MP.

You can express your disrespect of her vileness without resorting to sexism.

 

[DotCommunist]

Starmer pledged to abolish the unelected second chamber at some stage. Lol obviously.

Blair promised the same and then actually did do reform of it, so half a job which pleases no one.

I think a few Labour leaders of the past have said they'd get rid of the lords only to mysteriously lose their nerve once in a position to do so. I think its just too useful for the state as a whole and lab leaders always try to set the party up as the permanent state but will always be considered the second option for the monied classes, the auditors we have in once the owners sons have fucked UK plc by sacking half the workforce and selling off the pension funds for coke.

 

[A380]

Trouble with the house of Lords is it's completely anachronistic, undemocratic and has no place in a modern society. Its open to abuse, for example when Borris Johnson made his illegitimate daughter a peer.

And yet, given the nature of the appointments the quality of debate and work done by members is far higher than that of the commons and almost any other legislative chamber int he word.

It needs to go. But it would be good if there were a way to ensure any replacement could avoid just being stuffed with more party selected politicians

 

[krtek a houby]

Trouble with the house of Lords is it's completely anachronistic, undemocratic and has no place in a modern society. Its open to abuse, for example when Borris Johnson made his illegitimate daughter a peer.

And yet, given the nature of the appointments the quality of debate and work done my members is far higher than that of the commons and almost any other legislative chamber int he word.

It needs to go. But it would be good if there were a way to ensure any replacement could avoid just being stuffed with more party selected politicians

How about a people's gathering that represents the people, without prejudice or shady lobbies

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If she wants people to respect her then she shouldnt have done vile things in her time as a tory MP.

My post wasn't long, but you appear not to have read it.

 

[Serene]

Surely this isn't too difficult. This isn't about how vile Coffey is. It's about the values that you have.

So a person is overweight and has been known to like a drink and a smoke? Are any of those things that you think are worthy of attacking? If the answer is 'no' then you don't attack them.

Fair enough.