Stop the BNP's Nazi rally in Derbyshire on Saturday 15 August (Discussion)
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TremulousTetra
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In that case the left wing should fuck these new labour off compleatly and demand the unions stop supporting these free market radicals
SW does.
i disagree and will start a new threadwell your comment
could well be taken that way. And your support for Reich's theses are based on vastly selective evidence. The KPD put on far more, and more varied social activities than you or Reich say/said, the nazi's was far less 'free' than you give the impression (yes, they allowed a bit of sex to go on, but that wont make that much difference, young people always find a way to have a shag, in case you'd forgotten
And the idea that the left didn't recognise what people needed - jobs, security, homes, no racist scapegoats - is grotesquely inaccurate.
Reich had some interesting things to say, to take him as any kind of guide in how to beat fascism would be terrifying!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yes, with an ulterior motive.
all the left does CD .. you not in a union? it is a constant demand from any left wingersIn that case the left wing should fuck these new labour off compleatly and demand the unions stop supporting these free market radicals
cantsin
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TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
We're the Illuminati?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
We're the Illuminati?
Don't be more of an idiot than you can help.
No, I mean that the SWP would very much like to see some TU largesse floating their way.
No Im not in a union. I work in a homeless hostel there is no union there. And i cant be bothered looking for one
I would never give a union that supports this right wing new labour.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
or indeed any largesse
Silver_Fox
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Although there are a lot of limitiations to this demo, I still think it's better it happened and that the BNP can't just have a festival with no opposition at all.
But there seem a lot of people on here criticising but what are you actually saying should be done instead and what are you doing as individuals to try and make this happen? It's all good and well spouting off on a message board, but that achieves even less than UAF.
But there seem a lot of people on here criticising but what are you actually saying should be done instead and what are you doing as individuals to try and make this happen? It's all good and well spouting off on a message board, but that achieves even less than UAF.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what do you feel the uaf have achieved? that might be a start for people to proffer alternatives.
There was no opposition just free publicity for the bnp
Got to say I do absolutly nothing .If I could ever find a group or party i believe in i would be active. But I dont trust any of them.
Maybe if there was a working class movement that did not give a fuck what marx ,stalin,lennin,hitler said,then id be involved.
Maybe achieved a few missle attacks at the police lines. Filled their donation tins up.
The down side proboly built the bnp up once again.
with plenty of free advertisementsSilver_Fox
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Not a lot. So what alternatives do you offer?
TremulousTetra
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butchers and pick are for ignoring the ordinary progressive people who want to oppose fascism, preferring concentrating all the lefts efforts on the concerns of those who vote fascist.
Seems arse upwards to me.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
virtually all the polls show, and I know loads of people who would vote for the BNP, IF they didn't believe they were fascist. It is my opinion, if the anti fascis campaign had not been so prevalent for so long, the fascist in this country, may very well be doing as well as they are doing in Europe.Maybe achieved a few missle attacks at the police lines. Filled their donation tins up.
The down side proboly built the bnp up once again.
A problem with the anti party's campaign has been, it hasn't been a mass campaign so far. Hopefully this recent mass activity, indicates the prevalent apathy is being broken. It is this lack of mass activity, which is the real question to the posed to the anti fascist movement, in my opinion.
audiotech
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Looked like a right boring weekend going by these snaps?
I saw this on the news. The reporter was inside the BNP thing and they had people dressed up as bin laden and osama for some reason. That Nick Griffin is terrible at trying to fool people it's not a rasict party. I mean, everyone knows anyway but his attempts to say otherwise are fairly pathetic. A thankless task im sure.
fair play i appreciate there is lots of places without unions but everywhere i know WITH unions is better than those without unions .. it is the fact of being together in a union ( the feeling of standing together) that is more important than the fact that they are ALL run by arse licking yellow bellied grovelling new labour toe ragsNo Im not in a union. I work in a homeless hostel there is no union there. And i cant be bothered looking for one
I would never give a union that supports this right wing new labour.
RMP3 that si so simply not true mate!! there was a massive national media and door step camapign telling people that teh BNP was fascist even nazi and even though they barely are organised in 10% of seats they got a million votes .. the nazi label only works for some people and some of the time
Pickman's model
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Pickman's model
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link please to a post where i've said that. and please be fucking faster about it than you've been apologising to me on that other thread.
Seriously though, it would really confuse them if people started shouting cod fascists, as it would insinuate that they didn't have the full courage of conviction...
Nah, that would imply that they're not actually fascistic. Now "cod-democrats" might work!!
It would in a sense, and might make the shouter himself sound like a fascist who was accusing them of selling out, i guess. It would be hard to convey the irony in that situation, I suppose....
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
every BNP voice interviewed over this rally has trotted out the party line of 'we have no representation from the mainstream parties'
It's a fucking mantra. 'Oh I was so disillusioned with mainstream politics I decided to join the crypto-racists and thier lunatic agenda'
Yeah, right. Cos non-engagement with the political process is too much effort.
It's a fucking mantra. 'Oh I was so disillusioned with mainstream politics I decided to join the crypto-racists and thier lunatic agenda'
Yeah, right. Cos non-engagement with the political process is too much effort.
theres a good american book called banana republic about how all the american right shout and snivel they are excluded form the media by pinkos and gays etc when they fucking OWN teh media and have hundreds of funded 'institutes' ready and willing to give qoutes .. but it seems to work!!
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