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Star Trek: Discovery

why? if war with Klingons is going to be a major part of the plot, surely we need to hear/read them speak,so we know what they're thinking?

Oh I've no objections to the Klingons being a major part of it, quite the contrary. It's just that the spoken language is very jarring to my ears. Just have them speak English, and subtitle it in Klingon to keep the nerds happy.
 
Oh I've no objections to the Klingons being a major part of it, quite the contrary. It's just that the spoken language is very jarring to my ears. Just have them speak English, and subtitle it in Klingon to keep the nerds happy.
i think that just makes them more 'villainy'
 
Handy managing to salvage the telescope when the entirety of the rest of the ship was gutted.

Hmm. I like it and I don't like it. No doubt Starfleet has its murky bits of history, but the crew of the Discovery seem so absolutely lacking in morals and ethics they just don't feel like Starfleet to me. Burnham is feeling more and more like Starfleet, though.

This doesn't feel like Star Trek. It's perfectly competent and interesting, but it doesn't feel like Star Trek.
 
Handy managing to salvage the telescope when the entirety of the rest of the ship was gutted.

Hmm. I like it and I don't like it. No doubt Starfleet has its murky bits of history, but the crew of the Discovery seem so absolutely lacking in morals and ethics they just don't feel like Starfleet to me. Burnham is feeling more and more like Starfleet, though.

This doesn't feel like Star Trek. It's perfectly competent and interesting, but it doesn't feel like Star Trek.

was watching a big of voyager over the weekend ...

someone saw the double header of the equinox and thought it would make a good series
;)
 
This show started well but now it seems like a joke. Even the scene letting the monster out of the cage and the scene with putting it in the space warp place were terrible, and very predictable. Great female lead but terrible everywhere else.
 
another good episode. really enjoying. nice download in the morning, come home from work, put feet up and enjoy series.
 
I'm enjoying this, but I'm not a Trekkie - I watched the first Star Trek and The Next Generation as a kid and enjoyed them, but have not seen any of the other series.
After seeing E04, I took to IMDb in the usual fashion (I thought I had spotted Dwight from The Office - I had!), but made the mistake of reading one of the reader reviews. I will inflict it on you as well:
Hoisted by its Own PETArd
My title is, of course, a famous quote from Shakespeare.

Now Shakespeare, one would think, has been exiled from the shiny new Stsr Trek canon because the father of modern literature and his works are considered to be far too patriarchal and male-centric to be suitable for post-modern Marxism.

But to really let slip the dogs of war on all that is Shakespeare one must show that he belongs to the bad guys and their camp, and our lengthy list of executive producers (there's more of them than core cast, what does that tell you?) do not fail in this regard.

Because as we all know, Shakespeare can only truly be experienced in the original Klingon... but the producers can't bring themselves to go full male-centric Bard, so in this episode we get to meet that most feminist of Shakespearean characters, a Klingon Lady Macbeth.

And to keep post-modern feminism happy, let's tie in a little Marija Gimbutas (despite the fact her theories have been discredited in serious Archaeology) and create a new force in the warrior society... The Matriarchy. Our male warrior of course must sacrifice everything to gain the great powers The Matriarchy has to offer.

Meanwhile, back in Starfleet land, our Vulcan-trained hero is nearly emotionally overwhelmed at receiving one of those new Starfleet uniforms that look like they were fitted by a tailor from Wal-Mart. Then the chubby neurotic cadet with the bad complexion delivers a last will and testament to her, but our cool-headed Vulcan-trained logician is too emotionally overwhelmed to deal with it.

But our human characters aren't the only characters disobeying Polonius's "Too thine own self be true". Doing whatever the writers find convenient now extends to beasts. For both we and the Head of Security were shown explicitly in Ep. 3 that the captured "tardigrade" killed an unarmed Klingon from behind with no provocation whatsoever. Yet the working theory of the Vulcan-trained logician is that the beast only attacks when provoked, despite the evidence of... our eyes, her eyes, and Commander Landry's eyes.

Now one might claim the Klingon had done something in the past to enrage the beast, but let's remember Burnham had put several phaser blasts into the creature, and later it had no issue with her.

But let's be honest, if you're trying to get a PETA point across, Politics are far more important than story or character. /sarc

I wonder though, if Sarek will call Burnham up on his subspace mind meld and let her know that according to Vulcan logic, "the needs of the many outweigh the few. Or the one." And of course the young ungraduated cadet's well-being was once again put at great risk this episode, by exposing her to the tardigrade, but apparently such risks are common to cadets in the new Starfleet.

I wondered why the forcefield gate holding the beast wasn't opened just a bit to first approach it, much like when Burnham escaped from the brig back in the pilot, or why the creature didn't just tear through the metal walls, but then I remembered we are not honoring past story points in this series.

We were given more unbecoming emotional immaturity from the gay engineer part way through the episode, but at least the writers let him get his act together by the episode's end.

At which point our cool-headed Vulcan-trained logician finally is able to open her former Captain's last will only to discover a telescope last seen... on an abandoned ship! Lol, like who went back and got that? And why didn't they grab the all-important Dilithium processor or the cloaking device before grabbing an easily replicated telescope? And don't get me started on why does the saucer spin in spore drive, when the effect is coming from Engineering; or the galactic map in the creature's brain; or why the most important mining community in the Federation is undefended and unarmed; or why Lorca risked the ship and every crew member on it by not firing back at attacking ships... just so a dramatic exit could be made.

A new core male human character is introduced, the ship's doctor, but alas, he is also gay, and thus the show's largest demographic--straight male humans--is bizarrely still in wont of a sympathetic character. I suppose though that with gay male characters out-numbering straight male characters 2 to 1 in this 'verse, we should just be happy the human race exists at all, since so few are choosing to reproduce.

This series continues to be a travesty, choosing heavy-handed message over good story-telling. The final result is a dagger in my mind. The die is cast... the writing is awful, fire everyone.
Wow! I can't even. I just. Eugh. So much wrong there.

Anyway, it does seem a lot of Trekkers/Trekkies are unhappy with this (though I doubt the above is a typical Star Trek fan)
 
that space tardigrade was fucked after those two jumps. Looking sorry for itself. Next week they are going to feed it more space krill or whatever that is and abuse it, a sentient creature, to further their territorial war with another species.

I enjoyed the episode but GR must be spinning in his grave lol

oh, klingons. Worked because they were advancing the plot but I am still not loving the excess face stuff. I don't mind the klingon with eng subtitles, thats fine. But theres no face movements.
 
Well, they do at least seem to be on the verge of introducing a new storyline and a new villain, judging by the trailer for the next episode. Space Dwight looked quite menacing.
 
Handy managing to salvage the telescope when the entirety of the rest of the ship was gutted.

Hmm. I like it and I don't like it. No doubt Starfleet has its murky bits of history, but the crew of the Discovery seem so absolutely lacking in morals and ethics they just don't feel like Starfleet to me. Burnham is feeling more and more like Starfleet, though.

This doesn't feel like Star Trek. It's perfectly competent and interesting, but it doesn't feel like Star Trek.
My reading of it is that this is the tale of how Starfleet (or a part of it) becomes the Starfleet we know rather than just having the stated aims and values but flouting them whenever it suits. Burnham will be instrumental to the change in this corner of Starfleet as she herself changes. That's how I'm hoping it will go, anyway :) Still really enjoying it thus far.
 
The Klingon language actually sounds very different to how it did in TNG. Full stress on every syllable, it's an odd but nice sounding language actually.
 
The Klingon language actually sounds very different to how it did in TNG. Full stress on every syllable, it's an odd but nice sounding language actually.

I follow the person who did all the translation etc on Twitter. She posts some interesting stuff, most notably that Marc Okrand who did the original dictionary wanted nothing to do with the Discovery project, so she's had to improvise quite a bit.

The downside of being a fan and doing all the translations is knowing what's coming, but not yet seeing it on screen!
 
that space tardigrade was fucked after those two jumps. Looking sorry for itself. Next week they are going to feed it more space krill or whatever that is and abuse it, a sentient creature, to further their territorial war with another species.

I enjoyed the episode but GR must be spinning in his grave lol

oh, klingons. Worked because they were advancing the plot but I am still not loving the excess face stuff. I don't mind the klingon with eng subtitles, thats fine. But theres no face movements.

You can tell Burnham's still not happy with how they're treating it. It's like the space whale in that episode of Doctor Who - seen as a monster, actually being abused for the ends of humans. I feel proper uneasy about the whole thing. 99% of the crew on the Discovery are cunts.
 
You can tell Burnham's still not happy with how they're treating it. It's like the space whale in that episode of Doctor Who - seen as a monster, actually being abused for the ends of humans. I feel proper uneasy about the whole thing. 99% of the crew on the Discovery are cunts.
It reminded me of the great space slug from Chasm City that they keep cutting at to take its blood to synthesize stuff which immunizes against the melding plague. And also the bit in Starship Troopers where they drag the bug into the light and the psi gestapo bloke says 'It's scared!' and they all cheer while it squeals. I have a soft spot for misunderstood giant monsters.

I liked the bit of the saucer section doing a mad spin when they jumped tho
 
I may have given up on it already.

They referenced Elon fucking Musk as a space pioneer.

That as well as the Klingons
 
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