DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm still not 100% sure why
was able to turn up like a force ghost, some telepathy thing maybe. H did say it was hard work.
spocks dad
Star Trek: Discovery
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Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
I think it's because...
He said it was because when he mind melded with her after the bomb attack on the educational institute (which I reckon we'll hear about later on in the series) he left some of his katra with her - like when Bones went loopy because Spock had done similar to him at the end of Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
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It's hardly a Spock rip-off when Sarek has been in four of the films, the Original Series and TNG
Steel Icarus
we move
I loved it. Loads of action, I liked the revamped Klingons, I even got all teary-eyed at the opening credits
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New Klingons need long hair and goaties
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
shout out for the title sequence as well, its different but better than Enterprise.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
So the first two episodes are really just the pilot then?
I liked that quite a lot, but I fear for CBS's strategy with the show. It's subscription-only from now on in the US, and they'll need a load of people to sub to pay the production costs.
I liked that quite a lot, but I fear for CBS's strategy with the show. It's subscription-only from now on in the US, and they'll need a load of people to sub to pay the production costs.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I kind of like that the Klingon rubber faces looked a bit shit in a classic Star Trek shit way....
The opening scenes in the desert were a bit Star Wars.....the opening credits were a bit Game of Thrones....otherwise, it did feel like something from the Star Trek universe....and they had a member of Daft Punk working on the Bridge.
The opening scenes in the desert were a bit Star Wars.....the opening credits were a bit Game of Thrones....otherwise, it did feel like something from the Star Trek universe....and they had a member of Daft Punk working on the Bridge.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
TBF though, that's trailers for you a lot of the time. All action, very little context.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
and someone who is supposed to be trained in vulcan mental techniques of dispassionate logic who immediately loses it and makes a series of shit emotionally driven responses
Vintage Paw
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bemused
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I'm talking about Burnham.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
I liked it a lot. Some notes:
Theme tune: nowhere near as bad as the fucking crap Enterprise theme tune, but still not particularly captivating. Too subdued. I like the artwork for the opening, and of course the recognisable Trek refrains at the end, but it's mostly a bit boring.
Klingon design: I dislike parts of it and like other parts of it. I dislike that the entire face is prosthetic city and I dislike the lack of hair. They're too far removed from the Klingons we recognise, and while I accept they'll want to put their own stamp on them they look too divorced from the rest of the TV series' Klingons. I do like the aesthetic of their armour and their architecture/ships/the beacon. Hints of ancient Egypt, that kind of thing, really giving a sense of the ancient history and alienness. I also tentatively like how they centered the racial aspects of the Klingon, and I suppose the heavy prosthetic work is in tune with this (even though I dislike the actual design).
Ships off-kilter: A small note but when the main Klingon ship came out of warp and we saw it in space alongside the Starfleet ship, they weren't both at the same angle. I loved that, because there is no 'up' in space. A really nice little detail.
Humour: Saru was really the only light relief we had, and even then the emphasis was on the 'light'. The subject matter is so heavy I don't have high hopes for a return to the humour of old, but since we haven't met the regular crew yet (Saru and Michael excepted, I believe) it's not entirely out of the question that it might shift tonally somewhat. DS9 managed to do heavy stuff alongside humour, so it's not impossible. It's not really Star Trek for me without that. I was pleased to see they kicked off the pilot with some epic cheese, with the Starfleet logo in the sand. It elicited a very loud groan, which is as it should be. I hope there's more of that.
Michael: Her character didn't gel with me at all. For a Vulcan-raised person who we're told is encased away from her emotions, she sure was the most emotional person on board. I hope they develop on that by exploring how it's precisely because she was raised to repress/suppress her emotions that she simply doesn't know how to handle them when they do arise, rather than it being a massive oversight (which is how it came across in the first 2 episodes).
All-in-all, I enjoyed it lots, and I'm looking forward to seeing how she gets her command and where we go from here. Even if it doesn't lighten the mood and inject the humour I want I'm sure I'll still like it, and it's a damn sight better than that abomination Enterprise, but as of yet I doubt it'll rate above the rest of the Trek series.
Theme tune: nowhere near as bad as the fucking crap Enterprise theme tune, but still not particularly captivating. Too subdued. I like the artwork for the opening, and of course the recognisable Trek refrains at the end, but it's mostly a bit boring.
Klingon design: I dislike parts of it and like other parts of it. I dislike that the entire face is prosthetic city and I dislike the lack of hair. They're too far removed from the Klingons we recognise, and while I accept they'll want to put their own stamp on them they look too divorced from the rest of the TV series' Klingons. I do like the aesthetic of their armour and their architecture/ships/the beacon. Hints of ancient Egypt, that kind of thing, really giving a sense of the ancient history and alienness. I also tentatively like how they centered the racial aspects of the Klingon, and I suppose the heavy prosthetic work is in tune with this (even though I dislike the actual design).
Ships off-kilter: A small note but when the main Klingon ship came out of warp and we saw it in space alongside the Starfleet ship, they weren't both at the same angle. I loved that, because there is no 'up' in space. A really nice little detail.
Humour: Saru was really the only light relief we had, and even then the emphasis was on the 'light'. The subject matter is so heavy I don't have high hopes for a return to the humour of old, but since we haven't met the regular crew yet (Saru and Michael excepted, I believe) it's not entirely out of the question that it might shift tonally somewhat. DS9 managed to do heavy stuff alongside humour, so it's not impossible. It's not really Star Trek for me without that. I was pleased to see they kicked off the pilot with some epic cheese, with the Starfleet logo in the sand. It elicited a very loud groan, which is as it should be. I hope there's more of that.
Michael: Her character didn't gel with me at all. For a Vulcan-raised person who we're told is encased away from her emotions, she sure was the most emotional person on board. I hope they develop on that by exploring how it's precisely because she was raised to repress/suppress her emotions that she simply doesn't know how to handle them when they do arise, rather than it being a massive oversight (which is how it came across in the first 2 episodes).
All-in-all, I enjoyed it lots, and I'm looking forward to seeing how she gets her command and where we go from here. Even if it doesn't lighten the mood and inject the humour I want I'm sure I'll still like it, and it's a damn sight better than that abomination Enterprise, but as of yet I doubt it'll rate above the rest of the Trek series.
captainmission
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Considering Vulcan training is taking a child with PTSD is putting them in a quiz machine about their parents dying it's no surprise she turn a crazy space racist. Although it does seem something else they've taken from the Abrham's moves- Vulcans are logical until they're manic rage monsters.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
tbf that concept predates JJA films doesn't it.
I read the series is going to be different to the pilot in some ways and this is more of a prolouge or something. I'm hoping that 'difference' means the good shit like tribble episodes and the evil mirror universe
captainmission
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Only really when they're on heat- maybe Burnham's action can be explained as a case of sympathetic Pon Farr?
Ok, so they generally are rage monsters with good anger management techniques. But previous series had them only loosing control as a result of neurological issues, illness etc, rather than being exposed to any sort of stress what so ever.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
mm but she's only human. Perhaps that is why, seems...logical to me. I was thrown by the nerve pinch but on googling after the show it is canon that some humans can pull that move. Just not many.
cybershot
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This has already hinted on by Frakes.
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I assume they're going to as her adult character in flashback was sooo different to how she is in 'the present' and because she explicitly mentioned her emotions, albeit briefly.
I'm not sure why people thought she was racist, though? The Klingons are certainly exploring (white) supremacy.
I adored it.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Certainly didn't live up to the trailer. It's like 90s deep space 9 with production values slightly below.
The biggest problem for me though is the hack scripts. Sci fi ground trodden a million times already, with stuff that just 'happens' conveniently to tie up the script. Episode two, the whole crew are willing to sacrifice themselves against all logic for the captain they don't even know??
And it's not even funny. Does it think it's classic star trek with a firefly edge??
. . .and it's 400 years I the future, the earth guys admit they are not history buffs but reference only the 80s to now. Might have been funny if they had assumed 80s music was roughly the same period as the wild west (from their perspective).
Oh, and as an editor . . . Well the editing and direction is noticeably really rather sloppy. Unless that's all they had to work with.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
You're literally describing the average episode of TNG. In fact in All Good Things, the crew in the past timeline sacrifice themselves and their ship for what is for them, a captain they've known for 5 minutes.
I can't count the amount of times where either the Prime Directive or a order is ignored to risk a crewman's life.
What I find interesting that they are happy to jettison the comedy when the plot requires it.
Yeah because in TNG/Classic/Voyager/DS9 they all weren't pretty much completely obsessed with the 20th century.
Should I start listing all the episodes set there/or holodeck episodes etc etc.
If you can point out examples of sloppy editing I'd love to hear/see it.
I think you're confusing sloppy with what appears to be an intentional attempt to ape the visual style of TNG. Which to our eyes looks hopelessly outdated and slow.
I'm not raving about the show, my expectations were fantastically low when I started watching it, and I was pleasantly surprised. It's kind of curate's egg, I'm not sure if it's got the energy to last a few seasons, or the fanbase.
But I found it much more fun than that dreadfully pompous discover.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Never said any of those things were good about star trek, they are equally shit, though not so glaringly obvious.
EP three. . . The guy leaves the room does a scan and finds a woman, who just happens to be the planets greatest author, out of nowhere. . . What?
Still, I've watched all three EPs despite the eye rolling, that's a lot more than those marvel series have managed to get out of me.
The direction, editing and continuity is noticeably bad. The set up standard fast turn around directing style might be homage, but it's not very well done and the set angles look cheap but not in a good way. I I don't remember noticing star trek looking so bad.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I've watched them all. It doesn't get any better.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
It wasn't great but the old deus ex has been a tried and tested trek plot device.
My rule of thumb of continuity is "if the audience is spotting lots of continuity errors you've got bigger problems than continuity, your audience is bored"
I think the directing is workmanlike. Solid. It reminds me of old trek. And that's the reason I enjoy it. I really think the show would fail if they tied to keep pace with modern style. I do remember getting annoyed with the eyeliner in a video call at one point. It's worth pointing out as another user pointed out that both B Bragg & J Frakes shot episodes. Neither is exactly an auteur but they've got an enormous body of work as Tv directors notably in ST.
But I was more annoyed with the style of Discovery, too OTT, and I thought the sequence when she got out to explore the probe was too long and showy. It's THE PILOT, get to the plot!
maomao
普費斯
Theme tune/titles sequence is shit. It's just another identikit Netflix theme tune. Michelle Yeoh is as swoonsome as expected but I think all the characters are going to take a while to bed in. It would be hard to be worse than Voyager so I reckon there's hope of not being the worst ST series ever.
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