Star Trek: Discovery

[Crispy]

But then a rigid chain of command and post-scarcity utopian liberalism did always seem a strange combination

I dunno. Military command is pretty much the best way to maintain order at sea. You don't want your weapons officer to reply to "Forward phasers to maximum. Fire!" with "Sorry citizen, but I'm busy pursuing my self-actualisation in the field of matchstick model making." you want "Phasers fired sir" and a brig to throw them in if you don't get it.

(Did anyone ever get thrown in the brig on ST?)

 

[SpookyFrank]

"I'm sensing that this fleet of angry Romulans shooting at us may be upset about something."

 

[DotCommunist]

I never knew why she lost the catsuit and went standard starfleet uniform, but I was watching old TNG a few weeks ago and theres an episode where Picard is relieved of command and replaced by a dickhead who is a nob to everyone and makes Troi stop wearing skintight mufti and get with the program. The catsuit never came back, not even when Picard came back

 

[ViolentPanda]

I never knew why she lost the catsuit and went standard starfleet uniform, but I was watching old TNG a few weeks ago and theres an episode where Picard is relieved of command and replaced by a dickhead who is a nob to everyone and makes Troi stop wearing skintight mufti and get with the program. The catsuit never came back, not even when Picard came back

Troi started wearing Starfleet uniform because she decided to undertake command training - basically "officer school". 2nd to last series, IIRC.

 

[DotCommunist]

Troi started wearing Starfleet uniform because she decided to undertake command training - basically "officer school". 2nd to last series, IIRC.

maybe the catsuit made a brief return after the deposed picard episode then

 

[EastEnder]

(Did anyone ever get thrown in the brig on ST?)

It happened occasionally, although mostly unruly aliens.

Sadly, I don't recall any episodes where crewmen were chucked in the brig after returning late from shore leave having brawled with a Ferengi & caught gonorrhoea off a dabo girl.

 

[Bungle73]

Ahhh, but it was great when Dr Crusher would hang about the bridge & have an argument with the captain. I'm sure that sort of thing happens on Navy vessels all the time.

Better yet Guinan - I'm sure I remember her on the bridge at least once. You know the ship's in safe hands when the bar tender is chatting to the bridge crew.

But the Enterprise D wasn't a warship, it was a ship of exploration. With families on board.

 

[EastEnder]

But the Enterprise D wasn't a warship, it was a ship of exploration. With families on board.

A schizophrenic concept at best - the flagship of the fleet, first in line to get flung across the galaxy, battle the Borg & seemingly seek out extreme peril on a regular basis, all the while being a family friendly beacon of "peaceful" exploration...

Probably why they ditched the sprogs with the Enterprise E.

 

[CNT36]

maybe the catsuit made a brief return after the deposed picard episode then

Chain of Command when he goes undercover with the Cardassians.

 

[CNT36]

Troi started wearing Starfleet uniform because she decided to undertake command training - basically "officer school". 2nd to last series, IIRC.

She got a taste for it when there was an emergency and everyone else was trapped in a turbolift or down the pub delivering a baby. They even let her drive. Once.

 

[golightly]

They even let her drive. Once.

And, apparently, she then crashed it.

Sexism alive and well in the 23rd century.

 

[DotCommunist]

Riker stacked it as well, the hamhead. Data swore. Think that was just the suacer section tho

 

[EastEnder]

And, apparently, she then crashed it.

Sexism alive and well in the 23rd century.

Given that she was half Betazoid on a ship of almost all humans, probably counts as racism too.

 

[golightly]

Given that she was half Betazoid on a ship of almost all humans, probably counts as racism too.

Good point. I am never watching Star Trek again.

 

[DotCommunist]

Chain of Command when he goes undercover with the Cardassians.

thats right. Picard gets a torture session for his troubles

 

[jannerboyuk]

thats right. Picard gets a torture session for his troubles

"There...are...four...lights!"

 

[CNT36]

I watched an episode of something recently. Star Trek Something Else. It had mind melding as a minority Vulcan ability, frowned upon by most Vulcans. There was some sort of AIDS analogy. It made me angry so I switched off.

Vulcans can all mind meld.

That was Enterprise. The Vulcans are not quite who we think they are/they become by the time of Kirk.

Discovery is looking to be set ten years before Kirk and co. This Is the Main Character of Star Trek Discovery

 

[Idris2002]

Troi started wearing Starfleet uniform because she decided to undertake command training - basically "officer school". 2nd to last series, IIRC.

I'll just leave this here.

Spoiler

Superstardom! Our mole enjoyed a Canadian Trek con 'with main guest Marina Syrtis. My, what a bitch. Her contract specified 3 hours on each of 2 days, remote luxury hotel room, luxury transport, limo at beck and call, no press, no videotaping, etc, for US$15,000: the local Trekkies fell for it. She made horrific demands of the con's naive but devoted handlers; the committee jumped. Her talk about the show devolved into a sexist rant about males in the crowd fixated on her breasts and crotch: she was in a skin-tight black tube-style minidress, so everyone had something to look at. She proceeded to stand on a table on-stage, flip her dress up and flaunt said crotch at the crowd, and her handlers weren't sure she was wearing panties.... Some walked out, a few wanted their money back, many were disillusioned. The local press had a field day. Disillusionment was partly offset by genial George Takei, who posed for every picture and signed every autograph, even from a wheelchair; he'd just had corrective foot surgery.' [LP]

Ansible 74, September 1993

 

[EastEnder]

Discovery is looking to be set ten years before Kirk and co. This Is the Main Character of Star Trek Discovery

One of the problems of setting the stories in the past (ST past), is grappling with how to depict futuristic technology that's supposedly older than previous future tech, using contemporary tech, when the older future tech was built with 50 year old tech, iyswim.

ST Enterprise was a case in point - it was supposed to look older than the stuff that was created in the 60's, but it never really worked. This new one will be similarly afflicted.

I wish they'd go the other way, set the series way past the end of TNG. Then they could let rip with super advanced tech & ditch the need to continually come up with retro-future-tech.

 

[Santino]

I'll just leave this here.

Spoiler

Superstardom! Our mole enjoyed a Canadian Trek con 'with main guest Marina Syrtis. My, what a bitch. Her contract specified 3 hours on each of 2 days, remote luxury hotel room, luxury transport, limo at beck and call, no press, no videotaping, etc, for US$15,000: the local Trekkies fell for it. She made horrific demands of the con's naive but devoted handlers; the committee jumped. Her talk about the show devolved into a sexist rant about males in the crowd fixated on her breasts and crotch: she was in a skin-tight black tube-style minidress, so everyone had something to look at. She proceeded to stand on a table on-stage, flip her dress up and flaunt said crotch at the crowd, and her handlers weren't sure she was wearing panties.... Some walked out, a few wanted their money back, many were disillusioned. The local press had a field day. Disillusionment was partly offset by genial George Takei, who posed for every picture and signed every autograph, even from a wheelchair; he'd just had corrective foot surgery.' [LP]

Ansible 74, September 1993

I think this is definitely true.

 

[Idris2002]

I think this is definitely true.

George Takei is certainly one of nature's gentlemen.

 

[danny la rouge]

That was Enterprise. The Vulcans are not quite who we think they are/they become by the time of Kirk.

Ah. Still not sure how much I approve, but I hadn't realised it was a prequel.

 

[mwgdrwg]

I've been watching Voyager on Netflix, about 50 episodes in.

Not as bad as I remembered it.

 

[CNT36]

Ah. Still not sure how much I approve, but I hadn't realised it was a prequel.

Spoiler: For Enterprise

Eventually the old guard is swept away after a lot of Sam Beckett wondering around a desert and the true teachings of Surak become dominant in Vulcan society once more.

 

[danny la rouge]

Spoiler: For Enterprise

Eventually the old guard is swept away after a lot of Sam Beckett wondering around a desert and the true teachings of Surak become dominant in Vulcan society once more.

Spoiler

So it's really a long time in the past? (Compared with TOS). Not sure how that works with Earth history, tbh. I'm going to have to watch the Savage Curtain to see how long before TOS Surak was. When Kirk met him and Abe Lincoln in the 2260s he was an historical figure. And the first real interstellar flights I can remember are Khan's suspended animation war criminals from the 1990s Genetics Wars. So this "Enterprise" time line for Surak needs to between the those two events, surely?

 

[flypanam]

I've been watching Voyager on Netflix, about 50 episodes in.

Not as bad as I remembered it.

Me too, season 4 is where it seems to hit it's stride.

 

[EastEnder]

I've been watching Voyager on Netflix, about 50 episodes in.

Not as bad as I remembered it.

Voyager was often shit (e.g. any Neelix episode) but did have its moments - "Year of Hell" was a cracking 2 parter.

 

[DotCommunist]

borg episodes usually solid. Once I flicked over and it was just starting 'nothing better to do, might as well....' opens with neelix, on the holodeck. Straight turned over

These new details are intriguing. I hope this prequel sees some Klingon war action and a far more aggresive, less 'enlightened' (smug liberals) Starfleet fucking aliens up

 

[krtek a houby]

 

[Santino]

borg episodes usually solid.

Except that Unimatrix Zero shit. And the whole backstory of Seven's parents spending months tracking the Borg in a space VW van - with their daughter in the fucking back seat.