Spanish Political News

[J Ed]

Not a single reference in the speech to the police violence or to any possibility of dialogue, all just naming the enemy.

 

[ddraig]

Catalan vote illegal - Spanish king

 

[J Ed]

A PP MP rallying the troops (the police), they are shouting 'you aren't alone', I assume in support of anti-independence Catalans.

 

[planetgeli]

Catalan vote illegal - Spanish king

If people are being accused of placing themselves "outside the law", in this context, then we should align ourselves with those people.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I still can't get over the Robocops attacking the fire-fighters, cunts.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Today, they turned out in force.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The Spanish King has given an astonishing speech, accusing Catalans of 'unforgivable disloyalty'. Astonishingly nationalistic, (parts of) the Spanish ruling class are clearly absolutely terrified.

Fuck that fucking fucker of a fucko¡ing Borbon cunt. I freaked out when it came on the telly. Admittedly, I am tired after participating in what has been the biggest mobilizations in the history of Catalonia. I live in a smaller city, yet there were tens of thousands on the streets, with feeder marches. Absolutely intoxicating. The most amazing feeling of unity of purpose, people brought their children. We must have independence here. Catalonia cannot stand another week of this hardly veiled fascism from the spanish state apparatus. Watching the spanish news channels is sickening,for them there was no violence in Catalonia other than 400 police who were visciously attacked and injured. A total lie because 28 were injured while hitting old ladies. The whole world has access to the images yet they come out and lie in our face.

It has been a brilliant day, we were millions, yet, I am angry because the state apparatus are going after Ada Colau, the genuine socialist Mayoress of Barcelona because she spoke the truth, she complained publicly about the abuse, including sexual, received by a woman whose fingers were broken one by one and was thrown down the stairs. She is to be accused of defamation of the police. The state's fascist prosecutors also want to arrest the mayoress of Calella de mar for the eviction of their thugs from a hotel.

My wife usually bangs the saucepans on the balcony at ten each night, tonite I had a go, very loud, several neighbours joined me. you can hear it for blocks.

 

[Anudder Oik]

This is a cacerolada (sauceban bang in)

 

[Celyn]

Defamation of the police? Not even sure it can be possible to defame the Guardia Civil and their thumpy thumpy big trucheons.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Catalan vote illegal - Spanish king

When even “the world's leading news site on the British Royal Family, the State, and the Monarchies of the world” thinks el Rey has gone too far, perhaps it's time to slam the 'king brakes on

 

[Anudder Oik]

When even “the world's leading news site on the British Royal Family, the State, and the Monarchies of the world” thinks el Rey has gone too far, perhaps it's time to slam the 'king brakes on

He described the Catalans as "unacceptably disloyal", What a miserable fucking excuse for a human being, his speech was written by a degenerate fascist, the cunt.

A free catalonia, now!!!

Justice, Independence and Republica!!! Y força al canut...

 

[Anudder Oik]

Time for the best Republican chant ever... 'borbones a los tiburones', or 'Bourbons to the sharks', does that rhyme in Catalan?

yes, to the rythmn of "Els carrers seran sempre nostres"

Love it.

 

[tim]

Defamation of the police? Not even sure it can be possible to defame the Guardia Civil and their thumpy thumpy big trucheons.

Mind your language, before they issue a European Arrest Warrant in your name.

European Arrest Warrant - Wikipedia

 

[Wilf]

Catalan vote illegal - Spanish king

Fuck off and die you cunting parasite!

erm.. the kingy feller, not you ddraig

 

[Gramsci]

Fuck that fucking fucker of a fucko¡ing Borbon cunt. I freaked out when it came on the telly. Admittedly, I am tired after participating in what has been the biggest mobilizations in the history of Catalonia. I live in a smaller city, yet there were tens of thousands on the streets, with feeder marches. Absolutely intoxicating. The most amazing feeling of unity of purpose, people brought their children. We must have independence here. Catalonia cannot stand another week of this hardly veiled fascism from the spanish state apparatus. Watching the spanish news channels is sickening,for them there was no violence in Catalonia other than 400 police who were visciously attacked and injured. A total lie because 28 were injured while hitting old ladies. The whole world has access to the images yet they come out and lie in our face.

It has been a brilliant day, we were millions, yet, I am angry because the state apparatus are going after Ada Colau, the genuine socialist Mayoress of Barcelona because she spoke the truth, she complained publicly about the abuse, including sexual, received by a woman whose fingers were broken one by one and was thrown down the stairs. She is to be accused of defamation of the police. The state's fascist prosecutors also want to arrest the mayoress of Calella de mar for the eviction of their thugs from a hotel.

My wife usually bangs the saucepans on the balcony at ten each night, tonite I had a go, very loud, several neighbours joined me. you can hear it for blocks.

My Spanish partner ( not from Catalonia) was scathing about the King's statement. In her view the monarchy was brought back as concession to Francoists. Not surprising he comes down to support the conservative government.

She did say however that there are a lot of people in Spain who are anti Catalan and support the post Franco central state. Not someone from her background.

But as I've said before the legacy of Francoist Spain still plays a part in what is happening now.

 

[Gramsci]

The great thing about popular culture in Catalonia is the songs. In Barcelona today, and on many protests over the years, for example against the franco dictatorship, they have sung this catalan rebel song. I have posted a second video below with the english lyrics. It's worth checking out as it reflects the sentiment of progressive catalan independence which is in essence about freedom from oppression.

I showed this list to my Spanish partner. It's a famous song in Catalan written in Franco period. A song known by all Catalan and Spanish people who opposed Franco regime.

She agreed demos in Spain people sing or shout. Not the same here in UK.

I'm still trying to get my head around this. My Spanish partner is pro the Catalans,against the central state ( which for her is associated with Franco), as against the monarchy ( legacy of Franco) but I don't feel really wants to lose the Catalans.

 

[tim]

My Spanish partner ( not from Catalonia) was scathing about the King's statement. In her view the monarchy was brought back as concession to Francoists. Not surprising he comes down to support the conservative government.

She did say however that there are a lot of people in Spain who are anti Catalan and support the post Franco central state. Not someone from her background.

But as I've said before the legacy of Francoist Spain still plays a part in what is happening now.

The monarchy wasn't brought back as a concession to the Françoists, Juan Carlos, the king who abdicated last year was Franco's hand-picked heir.

 

[gawkrodger]

She agreed demos in Spain people sing or shout. Not the same here in UK.
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and all the worse for it! I want proper songs on demos damnit!

 

[Gramsci]

The monarchy wasn't brought back as a concession to the Françoists, Juan Carlos, the king who abdicated last year was Franco's hand-picked heir.

Thanks for correction. Why Spaniards like my partner have never had time for the restored Spanish monarchy. The way that radio 4 reported his statementkbe might think he was a just a constitutional monarch like here.

 

[butchersapron]

The monarchy wasn't brought back as a concession to the Françoists, Juan Carlos, the king who abdicated last year was Franco's hand-picked heir.

Franco's real handpicked heir was blown over a five story building by ETA.

 

[Gramsci]

and all the worse for it! I want proper songs on demos damnit!

The rebel song that Anudder Oik posted up I heard before. My partner showed me footage of demos a few days before referendum. They were singing it at that demo. The Spanish can sing.

 

[gawkrodger]

Franco's real handpicked heir was blown over a five story building by ETA.

 

[tim]

and all the worse for it! I want proper songs on demos damnit!

Marching down Whitehall surrounded by folk mangling some dreary Billy Bragg dirge. I'm happy with British demonstrations as they are, thank you!

 

[Anudder Oik]

Franco's real handpicked heir was blown over a five story building by ETA.

The spanish government apparatus has recently tried to dish out a four year prison sentence for tweeting a joke about that.

 

[tim]

Anyway for the lovers of song and haters of the monarchy, post here is the Spanish Republic's amthem

 

[DaveCinzano]

Franco's real handpicked heir was blown over a five story building by ETA.

Pontecorvo's film Operación Ogro is freely available from the Internet Archive:

Operacion Ogro : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[Wilf]

I still can't get over the Robocops attacking the fire-fighters, cunts.

A useful translation app tells me that Tots els coperos són bastards

 

[Riklet]

Well with the kingly king wading in like that, who knows how far this is gonna go now. Has anyone found a translation of his speech yet? Worth looking at!

Back to work and normality tomorrow in Catalonia? My colleagues in our branch there were on strike, not sure if anything to do with our union CC.OO or not.

I have to say, while everyone is talking about the events elsewhere in Spain, there is also a sense of normality, as well as some disbelief I think.

 

[gosub]

I can see things getting worse, and have no idea what better looks like.

 

[agricola]

I can see things getting worse, and have no idea what better looks like.

Having sane people on either side would probably help. For all the daftness of the Spanish reaction and the police violence, a Catalan UDI is genuinely idiotic. What on earth are they going to do if the Spanish call their bluff and put a border up?