butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Any info/translations on Committees in Defense of the Referendum (eugh) would be most welcome.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This is a useful translation piece - some samples below:
Decisive days in Catalonia
However, M15, beyond both the precarious student/youth component and the critical role of the middle classes buffeted by the economic crisis, also contained a mass, neighborhood component, featuring popular and working-class participation during an epoch when the trade union movement as such was decomposing. These last features are, critically, absent in the independence movement and represent its Achilles’ heel.
Thus, the movement suffers from the lack of an anchoring social sector both quantitatively and qualitatively, both numerically and strategically. And, it goes without saying, it has been the main source of controversies and headaches for each member of the Catalan left, whether or not they define themselves in such terms, and whether or not they are participating in the independence process or stand outside it. We must not minimize this problem nor pretend that it does not exist, as the left wing of the independence forces have tended to do. Nor should it be used as a pretext to remain outside this new movement that emerged in 2012 and thereby end up making its weaknesses worse, as Catalunya en Comú and those it influences have done.
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Obsessively preoccupied with not alienating the Catalan right, independence movement organizers did not pay enough attention to the strategic necessity of ensuring participation by forces on the political and social movement left that were not already in favor of independence. This criticism notwithstanding, rather than using the limits of the dynamics opened in 2012 as a justification for a passive policy, it was more strategically sound to engage with these limits as a stimulus to actively interact with it while working to reduce the right’s influence within the movement.
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This is where the interests of the independence movement and political forces throughout the Spanish state (and their Catalan allies) that favor a constitutional rupture with the regime of 1978 can partially converge. Since 2012, Catalan independence has not given sufficient importance to the search for allies across the whole Spanish state, but increasing repression has acted to change this attitude, even if it has been too-long delayed.
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The escalating repression has accentuated the connection between the Catalan independence process and the crisis of the Spanish regime. The democratic question, if the State continues in its authoritarian logic, may be the lever to transform Spanish public opinion. This would facilitate political solidarity with Catalonia by political and social forces across the Spanish state and pose the potential for a strategic understanding of Catalan events’ potential for provoking a constituent rupture(s) with the framework of 1978. But the democratic question, if it is to unfold in all its depth, implies that political and social forces in the Spanish state must correctly comprehend the Catalan national question.
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To declare in advance that the O-1 is a mere mobilization (as both Podemos and Catalunya en Comù have done), to refuse to go all-in, only deactivates the movement’s potential as a precipitating element in what might become a decisive political and institutional crisis. Such timidity with respect to O-1 not only exposes doubts about the independence project, but also a diminishing of Unidos Podemos and Catalunya en Comù’s profiles as constituent forces pushing for a rupture with the status quo. [4]
Decisive days in Catalonia
However, M15, beyond both the precarious student/youth component and the critical role of the middle classes buffeted by the economic crisis, also contained a mass, neighborhood component, featuring popular and working-class participation during an epoch when the trade union movement as such was decomposing. These last features are, critically, absent in the independence movement and represent its Achilles’ heel.
Thus, the movement suffers from the lack of an anchoring social sector both quantitatively and qualitatively, both numerically and strategically. And, it goes without saying, it has been the main source of controversies and headaches for each member of the Catalan left, whether or not they define themselves in such terms, and whether or not they are participating in the independence process or stand outside it. We must not minimize this problem nor pretend that it does not exist, as the left wing of the independence forces have tended to do. Nor should it be used as a pretext to remain outside this new movement that emerged in 2012 and thereby end up making its weaknesses worse, as Catalunya en Comú and those it influences have done.
...
Obsessively preoccupied with not alienating the Catalan right, independence movement organizers did not pay enough attention to the strategic necessity of ensuring participation by forces on the political and social movement left that were not already in favor of independence. This criticism notwithstanding, rather than using the limits of the dynamics opened in 2012 as a justification for a passive policy, it was more strategically sound to engage with these limits as a stimulus to actively interact with it while working to reduce the right’s influence within the movement.
...
This is where the interests of the independence movement and political forces throughout the Spanish state (and their Catalan allies) that favor a constitutional rupture with the regime of 1978 can partially converge. Since 2012, Catalan independence has not given sufficient importance to the search for allies across the whole Spanish state, but increasing repression has acted to change this attitude, even if it has been too-long delayed.
...
The escalating repression has accentuated the connection between the Catalan independence process and the crisis of the Spanish regime. The democratic question, if the State continues in its authoritarian logic, may be the lever to transform Spanish public opinion. This would facilitate political solidarity with Catalonia by political and social forces across the Spanish state and pose the potential for a strategic understanding of Catalan events’ potential for provoking a constituent rupture(s) with the framework of 1978. But the democratic question, if it is to unfold in all its depth, implies that political and social forces in the Spanish state must correctly comprehend the Catalan national question.
...
To declare in advance that the O-1 is a mere mobilization (as both Podemos and Catalunya en Comù have done), to refuse to go all-in, only deactivates the movement’s potential as a precipitating element in what might become a decisive political and institutional crisis. Such timidity with respect to O-1 not only exposes doubts about the independence project, but also a diminishing of Unidos Podemos and Catalunya en Comù’s profiles as constituent forces pushing for a rupture with the status quo. [4]
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Three more translations - some very interesting details about self-organisation and internal conflict etc i.e
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Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Massive demonstrations all over Catalonia, and the whole country stopped. The morning demos were called by the minority unions and organizations, CGT, etc. What is amazing, is that everyone has gone to these and they have been massive and uplifting.
One man on the protest today in my small town and who doesn't speak catalan, told me his 76 year old mother, who has been going to religious mass all her life and never questioned anything, has wrapped herself in the catalan flag and attending protests. He joked with a tear in his eye that he might end up having to bail her out of jail and said that now he thinks, if they held the referendum legally, it would get 60% for Independence, easily.
There was provocation from a group of plain clothes police but nobody took the bait. I also saw, bowling amongst 4000 people, two arrogant fucks with the spanish flag. Nobody even looked at them. I was the only one who turned my head as they went by. Later on they did it again and got the same result, nothing, ignored.
Another couple of girls, twins, one with the catalan flag, the other with the spanish flag, were amongst us without any abuse for over 3 hours.
One man on the protest today in my small town and who doesn't speak catalan, told me his 76 year old mother, who has been going to religious mass all her life and never questioned anything, has wrapped herself in the catalan flag and attending protests. He joked with a tear in his eye that he might end up having to bail her out of jail and said that now he thinks, if they held the referendum legally, it would get 60% for Independence, easily.
There was provocation from a group of plain clothes police but nobody took the bait. I also saw, bowling amongst 4000 people, two arrogant fucks with the spanish flag. Nobody even looked at them. I was the only one who turned my head as they went by. Later on they did it again and got the same result, nothing, ignored.
Another couple of girls, twins, one with the catalan flag, the other with the spanish flag, were amongst us without any abuse for over 3 hours.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Spanish state television employees protest against manipulation of the news
I have just watched something unheard of on the catalan TV3 news. A 15 minute live interview with Ermengol Gassiot, secretary of the anarcho sindicalist union CGT, in which he was invited to give a rundown of todays "people's" strike. Whole country has stopped so that millions can come out in the street. Biggest general strike ever.
Barcelona LIVE
I have just watched something unheard of on the catalan TV3 news. A 15 minute live interview with Ermengol Gassiot, secretary of the anarcho sindicalist union CGT, in which he was invited to give a rundown of todays "people's" strike. Whole country has stopped so that millions can come out in the street. Biggest general strike ever.
Barcelona LIVE
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
It's only in Catalonia and it's complete shutdown. the massive demonstrations will get bigger this afternoon at 18.00h
So far the fascists haven't been able to do anything, despite 5000 attending a national demo in Barcelona a few days ago.
I saw 2 today, pathetic.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
More footage of the police being invited by masses of neighbours to vacate their hotel in Calella de mar.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Last night the spanish police barracks was picketed in Reus, a small town.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
excellent photos and footage of today's protests.
En directe: Enorme manifestació a Barcelona i a ciutats de tot Catalunya contra la repressió de l’estat espanyol
En directe: Enorme manifestació a Barcelona i a ciutats de tot Catalunya contra la repressió de l’estat espanyol
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Anudder Oik - who is out on the demos? Are there people who might well have voted for greater autonomy but not independence? Is it shaping up as an anti-Madrid/GC demo or a full on independence mobilisation?
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
I can see one AntiFa flag and one CGT but where were the CNT and FAI/AIT?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Some anarchist 'mixed feelings':
Anarchists on the Catalan Referendum
Edit: despite the mixed feelings - and people getting their heads kicked in on Sunday - it's still exhilarating to read this stuff. Real life and real analysis.
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Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
It's against the police violence, which has I think tilted the balance for mass support for Independence. Nothing is against the spanish people, just the government in madrid and their stinking apparatus.
The guy in the photo below went to vote no in the referendum, wearing a spanish flag. He was cheered and applauded. Since this photo was taken he has publicly said that he would now vote yes.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
The great thing about popular culture in Catalonia is the songs. In Barcelona today, and on many protests over the years, for example against the franco dictatorship, they have sung this catalan rebel song. I have posted a second video below with the english lyrics. It's worth checking out as it reflects the sentiment of progressive catalan independence which is in essence about freedom from oppression.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
According to a catalan news outlet, Ara, the 10,000 urns and 10 million voting papers that the Guardia civil spent weeks trying to capture and confiscate in raids all over the territory, were not even in the country.
They were produced clandestinely by a very secretive group of people, all neighbours in a village in southern France called Elna. The population there is 6000. It is where 400 children were born to republican refugees of the spanish civil war, so today, their children and grandchildren set up the operation using special code, referering to the ballot boxes as Cake and the voting papers as candles and never mentioning anything via mobile. They smuggled all this stuff in over the Pyrenees in small amounts in personal cars over several weeks. It has been an amazing act of logistical brilliance.
They were produced clandestinely by a very secretive group of people, all neighbours in a village in southern France called Elna. The population there is 6000. It is where 400 children were born to republican refugees of the spanish civil war, so today, their children and grandchildren set up the operation using special code, referering to the ballot boxes as Cake and the voting papers as candles and never mentioning anything via mobile. They smuggled all this stuff in over the Pyrenees in small amounts in personal cars over several weeks. It has been an amazing act of logistical brilliance.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Stories are coming out about how the ballot boxes were concealed during some of the raids. I don't know if this one is true but I'll repeat it anyway.
The look outs in a small village gave the warning that the Guardia Civil convoy was approaching, so the urns were hurriedly placed in the scoop of a tractor parked opposite the polling station, covered and raised way above the heads of the people. The cops ran around everywhere trying to find them while people shouted "hotter" as they approached where the urns were hidden and "colder" when they went further away. They didn't capture those urns.
The look outs in a small village gave the warning that the Guardia Civil convoy was approaching, so the urns were hurriedly placed in the scoop of a tractor parked opposite the polling station, covered and raised way above the heads of the people. The cops ran around everywhere trying to find them while people shouted "hotter" as they approached where the urns were hidden and "colder" when they went further away. They didn't capture those urns.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Came here to post this:
"Cataxit".
that is all.
"Cataxit".
that is all.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I think "Catalexit" sounds better.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I agree. Catalexit out the door, Catalexit down the street, cops in pursuit.
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