butchers can form arguments where you just call names out of frustration. Hopefully one day you'll completely piss off from here.
Should the Queen meet Martin McGuinness?
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butchers can form arguments where you just call names out of frustration. Hopefully one day you'll completely piss off from here.
sleaterkinney
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What would be progress then, in your view?
No, he doesn't. You, on the other hand, just mistake.
You'd love everyone with an alternative opinion to yours to do that because your opinions are too weak to stand up to them.
Yes, as evidenced by grit backing away from two arguments with me in the last 12 hours.
Yes, as evidenced by grit backing away from two arguments with me in the last 12 hours.
None are so blind as those that will not see.
fogbat
The Talibum
They're both loathsome careers, but I think soldier to politician may actually be the worse transition.
As you well know.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
so long as marty packs his lovely armalite
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
What will King Billy and his Big White Horse think? 
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
with any luck such a meeting will be the straw that breaks the camels back for big ian paisely and he will finally die.
And that will make a difference to what?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it'll give me something to grin about and possibly increase the value of my copy of 'Ulster:The Facts' co-authored by Rev.
It won't make any difference to very much else.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
so what? am I asking you to join me in grinning about his impending doom? pulpit politics to promote bigotry and sectarianism are his legacy so fuck him.
anyway,
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anyway,
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Anyone would think we actually wanted the dump.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
do one
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
what a fucking prickish response 'we' may never have wanted it- whover the fuck 'we' are meant to be. You've wound me up, well done. Do some fucking reading. From indifference to avarice brit involvement in ireland for fucking centuries has been a total clusterfuck. And theres plenty of proddy places in NI that do want the crown, god only knows why but the subject is more complex than simple arguments about self determination and wether 'we' want the place. Fuck noe, I'd rather we just got the fuck out of the six counties but the people living there aren't so cool with that idea. I think the boots-on-ground people get the bigger say in this matter.
being as its their fucking lives and realities. God the arrogance 'never even wanted that dump anyway' yeh, well how come 'we' spent a large part of the 20th century fucking the place up for reasons of profit. You lazy cunt.
being as its their fucking lives and realities. God the arrogance 'never even wanted that dump anyway' yeh, well how come 'we' spent a large part of the 20th century fucking the place up for reasons of profit. You lazy cunt.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so we've moved back to solutions which were pretty much on the table in the 1970s, with the british claim to the six counties even more securely fastened than it was then, with provisional sinn fein doing the crown's dirty work for it... and idiots think it's progress.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
movement towards a united ireland, such entity to be founded on the principles of 1916. i don't think provisional sinn fein is a body which can move things forwards towards that, not towards the sort of democratic socialist republic the provisional movement espoused throughout much of the 'troubles'.
sleaterkinney
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I really don't think there's any appetite for that, certainly not among the people I know back home. Come out with stuff like that and they would think you're either nuts or dangerous, nobody wants to go backwards and run into all the trouble we had. McGuinness came in for flak because he wouldn't meet Liz the last time she was over.
Well, they're probably not especially "socialist" by most of the people in this forum, but people in the north vote for them as representatives of the provisional movement and seem happy enough with them.
grit
an ugly force for good
Shocking as it is to many of the political thinkers on urban, things change, and old ideas and assumptions need to be updated to accommodate that.
This is one of the many reasons that the red seeing marxists on here are so irrelevant.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
by 'the principles of 1916' i'm not talking about holing up in the gpo, but the values espoused by the proclamation. now, it seems to me that there are certain organisations - like eirigi - which still see a certain value in what pearse and connolly thought. as for mcguinness, i think i've essentially said he's part of the six counties' establishment now, so it is no surprise that he'll be meeting the head of 'the firm'.
good.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you don't know much about marxism, do you?
grit
an ugly force for good
I dont have much interest in becoming an expert in outdated and irrelevant theories, no.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
The political landscape has changed for some people since 1916, I'm not sure it has for people like eirigi and like I said, there is no appetite for a united Ireland. They have what, two local councilors?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if we're going to follow the implication of your post, that cllrs and tds / mps are the mark of a party worth supporting, every urbanite in britain should be tory or labour
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Why do you think marxism outdated?
grit
an ugly force for good
I cringe seeing logic being abused in such a manner as this post.
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